Posted on 02/28/2022 12:40:27 PM PST by conservative98
WVUfan222:
Levin: the birther tactic is crap, here's relevant statute:
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8 U.S. Code § 1401 - Nationals and citizens of United States at birth....
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1401
RDMercEER:
It didn't matter where Obama was born, it doesn't matter where Ted Cruz was born, it didn't matter where John McCain was born, it didn't matter where George Romney was born. The phrase “natural born Citizen” has a specific meaning: namely, someone who was a U.S. citizen at birth with no need to go through a naturalization proceeding at some later time. If one of your parents was a US citizen, which is the case in all four examples, you are a natural born US citizen.
This has been Levin's contention all along. Dishonest leftists, such was Pruto and whoisyourdaddy may want to do a little research, before spouting our their Alinskyite lies. Can either of you provide a link where Mark Levin said Obama couldn't be President because he wasn't a natural born US citizen?
I still don't think Obama was born in Hawaii, but it is a moot point, because at least one parent was a US citizen (and with the possibility of Frank Marshall Davis being his real dad, perhaps both). By birth status, he has every right to be the president.
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Ted pretty much sank his chances when he called us terrorists.
Obama’s mother was 18 when he was born. Barely 18 when he was conceived.
So Kamlalala is not eligible?
If she is, those Chinese tourist babies are.
One more time, the Fourteenth Amendment does NOT grant birthright citizenship to children of illegal aliens http://t.co/OXoxm6Cm0j— Mark R. Levin (@marklevinshow) August 19, 2015
More on birthright citizenship http://t.co/LyWRjTzZ5a— Mark R. Levin (@marklevinshow) August 19, 2015
“You can’t self-immigrate. You can’t claim jurisdiction because you happen to walk into the United States."
I didn't see that.
bamas mama did not have 5 years physical presence in the usa after age 14 because obama was born when she was 18 14 + 5=19
That sounds right.
she is absolutely NOT eligible to be President but the communist media swept it under the rug by claiming “racism!” for any questions about it. Same playbook used for obama aka barry soetero.
Bang!
Mic drop......
Great post.
Such a claim is just plain foolish.
LOL, look in the mirror.
It is an easily verifiable fact though.
The reason I asked whether you and the other guy are both citizens at birth under the statute is as a counter to the claim that they can't be "the same thing". Two things that are different in some respects may nevertheless be treats as "the same" under U.S. law in others. So, the mere fact that you and the guy who can lose his citizenship for leaving the country are "different" doesn't itself preclude the conclusion that you are both "the same" in terms of being a citizen at birth.
The question of whether a citizen at birth is a natural born citizen is a different question. I'm just making the point that being "different" in some respects under the law doesn't preclude being treated the same under others. And in this case, both you and the person who can lose their citizenship by leaving the U.S. are both, legally, citizens at birth under the statute. Maybe the statute shouldn't be written that way, but it is.
that they very clearly are under the statute. That's inarguable. You can argue that isn't the same as being a "natural born citizen", but that's a different argument. The point is, despite saying "they aren't the same thing", it is
There was debate about that, something about did she really have the baby stateside earlier.
We were talking Ted Cruz being eligible to runf or President. Then you brought up immigration. In the USA there are rules of immigration and then there is the Constitution. Two separate things. Its amazing that some can’t comprehend that distinction and mix them up.
I think that is exactly the right issue. Can a President, whose mother was born in Ireland, lead our troops in a war against Ireland? Could he direct cannon fire into her house in Ireland should it be justified during the course of a war?
How is the citizenship of the father relevant to the question above? Why even bother with a requirement that only addresses the loyalty of one parent?
It is my contention that the "natural born citizen" requirement for a US president is intended to invoke the most stringent criteria for being a citizen.
Do you disagree?
The question of whether a citizen at birth is a natural born citizen is a different question. I'm just making the point that being "different" in some respects under the law doesn't preclude being treated the same under others.
"Natural citizen" only comes into play in a single aspect of law of which I am aware. For all the rest, any old citizenship is just as good.
that they very clearly are under the statute. That's inarguable. You can argue that isn't the same as being a "natural born citizen", but that's a different argument.
That is in fact the argument I have been making. To reiterate, I argue that statute citizenship is not the same as natural citizenship, and I have just demonstrated to you a very important point at which they diverge.
Rogers vs. Bellei Makes these differences clear.
I also point out the argument that "they are the same" does not accomplish the purpose the founders tell us they intended when they created the "natural born citizen" clause.
There is some circumstantial evidence that indicates she may have had him in Canada.
Common sense when considering the goings on when the Constitution was written eh?
And everyone dances on the head of a pin.
I do every day and have no problems with it. Just like I have no problem saying the claim someone could simultaneously be King of Jordan and President of the U.S. is idiotic.
The idea that the only way a person can be an NBC is by having 2 citizen parents is the Birthers’ “fringe on the flag.” It is an idea with no basis in law or in fact. In fact, even a cursory reading of the aforementioned Vattel, will reveal (2 or 3 paragraphs down from the stuff Birthers have naughty dreams, that there is a whole ‘nother way to make NBCs, as in England.
But none of that matter to Birthers. Because the 2 citizen parent nonsense is the Fringe on the flag, and come hell or high water, there is no way that a Birther can change their mind, Because like Sovereign Citizens, trannies, furries, and Social Justice Warriors - Birthers live inside their own head, in a world of delusion. It is a form of mental illness, that manifests itself in some people. It may pop out in different ways, but at the root, Birthers and People who think they can change their sex on a whim, or Antifa members - are the same people mindset wise. Do you understand that?
Do you understand that Antifa and the old Women’s Christian Temperance Union and the Red Guard and the Spanish Inquisition - that they have the same mindset? If you can grok that, then maybe you could take a good long look at yourself, and see Bubba, the Sovereign Citizen, staring back at you. You will have to cure yourself, because I am not aware of any therapists having much luck with people who make up their own cardboard license tags crowd.
Could you address that point?
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