1330: Roger Mortimer, usurper

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[GOP Poet]

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[rfp1234]

Edward II was a flaming homosexual.

[Red Badger]

And his lover was defenestrated....................

[Berosus]

I heard they killed Edward with a red-hot poker up the rectum, so the cause of death wouldn’t be obvious.

[Sans-Culotte]

Real life Game of Thrones stuff minus the dragons.

[twister881]

Those wacky inbred British aristocrats.

[SamAdams76]

People were crazy back in those days.

[shadowlands1960]

For that reason some suspect that Mortimer was the actual father of the warrior king Edward III.

[Conan the Librarian]

I am a very distant relative of Edward III. They could use me as a DNA test if they wanted.

His son, Thomas, was the ancestor whose line we’re from, and, as he was murdered by Richard II, the line isn’t very famous.

:)

[Campion]

I'm not sure we know how "flaming" he was. He sired at least one illegitimate child before his marriage. Four children were born during his marriage to Isabella, all of whom are believed to be his.

His relationship with Piers Gaveston was very odd, though.

The (very historically inaccurate) movie Braveheart depicts Edward II as a flaming homosexual, and purports to show him being cuckolded by Wallace, who then informs his father (Edward I "Longshanks") on his deathbed that he (Wallace) is the real father of Longshanks' heir.

That whole subplot is ridiculous, since Isabella was a nine-year-old girl living in France when Wallace was executed.

[Campion]

Edward III was ten years old when his mother and Mortimer became lovers.

[rfp1234]

Thanks. Most blockbuster historical movies are indeed inaccurate.

[shadowlands1960]

Gloucester is famous to those who know their Shakespeare.. his wife Eleonore has an entire scene with John of Gaunt in Richard II. The murder of Gloucester is also famous in that it was the cause of the suspended duel between Mowbray and Bolinbgbroke that led to the sequence of events that set off the usurpation of Bolingbroke.

[shadowlands1960]

Yes... it is most likely Edward II was the father... the contention is made for obvious reasons. It’s not even known surely that Edward II was homosexual.. he was very attached to Galveston however.

[shadowlands1960]

>>> Gaveston

[shadowlands1960]

I saw the director of the movie interviewed about all those inaccuracies... the most glaring, the ridiculous idea that Edward III was the son of Wallace. He seemed to have no problem with any of it, it was the anti English angle that mattered and that was all.

[Campion]

If you ask a knowledgeable English person about Braveheart, be prepared for the avalanche of angry objections you'll get back. Ditto for another Mel Gibson movie, Patriot.

[shadowlands1960]

I read somewhere that Gibson’s anti-English slant is probably due to the old church Catholicism he inherited from his father. He never misses an opportunity to slight the Brits...

[Campion]

I'm not sure how the Catholicism angle works into it. In the case of Braveheart, everyone in (the history depicted by) the movie, on both sides, were as Catholic as Gibson is.

(And in The Patriot, almost everyone on both sides is Protestant.)

Mel Gibson has a whole lot of Irish and Scottish heritage on both his mother's and father's sides. That may explain some of the anti-English animus.