Posted on 09/18/2021 12:47:19 PM PDT by Jacquerie
Subtitle: Democrats Learn the Lesson of 1860.
The Lincoln and Trump elections flipped the card table of American politics. As in 1860, there was no middle ground in 2016 between the two factions. One works to preserve the United States. The other despises first American principles, publicly rejected the President-elect, and pursues disunion. This faction is called the Democrat Party.
Compromise is possible when the parties differ on how to reach a common goal. Every sale in the marketplace is a compromise. The seller is satisfied with a certain sale point just as the buyer has a buy point. Equally motivated parties eventually complete the deal. The kicker is that despite the seller typically coming down, and the buyer going up, both can walk away from the transaction feeling like winners.
While compromise wasn’t easy, it was the way of Congress from 1789 to 1860. North and South found enough common ground in the Missouri Compromise (1820), Nullification Crisis (1832), and the Compromise of 1850 to avoid secession. The unsuccessful Crittenden Compromise of December 18th 1860 proposed to permanently enshrine southern slavery in the Constitution, making it unconstitutional for future congresses to threaten the institution.
It was too little too late. Even with the addition of one slave state per free state, the Republican North was more populous and expected to indefinitely continue its advantage in the House of Representatives and Electoral College.1 With the door closed to political solutions and compromise, the Democrat South found its permanent minority status unacceptable. Fearing endless government-by-northern-fiat, southern states had prepared for Lincoln’s election and soon held secession conventions. There were seven fewer states in the Union by the time of Lincoln’s inauguration, March 4th 1861, than there were in November 1860. Most Northerners weren’t upset to see them go.
Similar to the 1789-1860 period, where the road to find commonality in the quest for shared goals narrowed and eventually led to dead-ends, political compromise today is but a dim memory. Over the span of eight decades since FDR, congressional Democrats and an increasingly Leftist Scotus slowly blocked access to common ground negotiations over pressing political matters. Instead, with increasing frequency, they shoved their destructive policies down Republican throats and upon an unaccepting society.
With the rise of fuzzy social justice, solutions to questions involving abortion, race relations, border security, citizenship, education/busing, census questions, health insurance, sexual practices, and even marriage are often outside the reach of a supposedly self-governing people. Every June brings the possibility of Scotus jack-booting another non-justiciable political matter outside the realm of compromise. Doing away with congressional compromise and siding with the Leftists left constitutional originalists marginalized and very angry.
Our sweet revenge was the election of Donald Trump. As in 1860, Democrats immediately refused to work with a Republican President and plotted against him and the United States. What conservatives long knew became evident to the nation; Democrats once again seek disunion. This time it isn’t over slavery; instead, socialism is their latest means to dissolution of the societal foundation on which our republic rests.
Per Dennis Prager’s 2017 warning of the civil war upon us, “There are those on both the left and right who call for American unity. But these calls are either naive or disingenuous. Unity was possible between the right and liberals, but not between the right and . . . (Left.)”
Once the bulk of Liberals turned Leftist, they opposed every tenet of the American republic. As opposed to the radical FDR, they don’t fight barbarians; they embrace them. The Left’s goals diverged with America, and diverged to the point where raw power is their single purpose. The Left would rather rule a miserable America in decline than be partners in a happy and prosperous republic. There isn’t a middle ground with these people.
Since the failure of their Mueller putsch, they employed an anti-constitutional impeachment and promise to impeach and impeach evermore until they succeed. Oh, and this is all done out of the fear that the hoi polloi, the Despicables, will reelect that indispensable man, Donald Trump.
Who will win the current civil war? Whatever the outcome, be confident the GOP will submit to Leftist authoritarians long before members stick their political necks out and risk reelection. In civil war, only the complete destruction of one side by the other will suffice, and that is precisely what Obama and his Deep State attempted.
The current Civil War is more of a civil war than the Civil War of 1861-65. The South just wanted to be left alone. Today’s Deep State Democrats are the shock troops of a real war to depose Donald Trump, and conquer and declare victory over an invigorated police state in which “hateful” Facebook posts and MAGA hats are felonies.
Modern Democrats learned the lesson of 1860: don’t be the victim of demographics. Command demographics. In their long march to power by any means necessary, Democrats pushed, for over forty years, ever more illegal immigration to tip the congressional and electoral scales in their favor . . . forever. Florida and Texas, once reliably conservative, are purple. Thanks to illegals, California and other Leftist states have more congressional seats than they deserve. Oh, and Scotus won’t allow census-takers to ask if the respondent is a citizen.
There is little time to set things right. Once the Democrats finish their corruption of the electoral process, the game is over; they will never relinquish power. Like other failed republics, the forms of our government will remain, but they’ll never again serve their constitutional purposes in liberty.
"Once the Democrats finish their corruption of the electoral process, the game is over; they will never relinquish power."
Full-scale war was declared by the Democrats on November 3, 2020
They will lose - make no mistake about it
Americans want to be free -they don’t want to be slaves
Those that want to be slaves to the Democratic Party will either be subdued or shot.
Most of them are such cowards they’ll come over to our side once they realize that they will be shot if they continue
The current position. to force people to inject poison into their body which is very clear that it is
This as close to a full on reason to shoot people; as I’ve ever seen
And if you look at places like Australia and Canada you can see the people are very close to their limits
We’ve seen this movie before and it’s not going to happen here
So many people, most people it seems, how no idea what a mess the country is in right now and how fast it's getting worse by the minute. It would literally be better if we were in a physical civil war rather than this dark corrupt silent civil war. At least then we would have someone to aim at.
Trump is right. We won't make it to the 2024 elections at this rate and if the dems change the election rules to make sure they can always cheat, lie, and steal with impunity; we are done for anyway. In a very real way we have nothing to lose already. We are fighting for our lives and way of life.
And today, fearing endless government-by-EO-fiat and quasi-constitutional legislation passed by a Blue-State-controlled Congress, some Red States are responding to Biden's 'election' by asserting their constitutional rights, and some (apparently including New Hampshire) may be evaluating secession.
Although the names of the political parties have not changed, there has been something of a role reversal...
;^)
Not true. Southern Democrats (not Northern Democrats) in 1860 wanted simply to be left alone, and saw "disunion" as the only way to achieve it.
Today, it's Republicans who want to be left alone, and might have to seek "disunion" to achieve it.
Whereas today's Democrats do not want "disunion." They want to impost dominance over a united America, much as did Lincoln.
Not to defend the Confederacy, but it's silly to imagine that either the Democrats or Republicans have held any views consistently over the centuries. Both have changed their beliefs multiple times, because neither are ideological parties, but are simply shifting coalitions of interest groups.
Had you bothered to read the post, I wrote that “The South just wanted to be left alone.”
Bkmk
They will lose - make no mistake about it
Americans want to be free -they don’t want to be slaves
Yes, but how many Americans live in America?
What of those tens of millions of illegals, many of whom are young men from violent gang cultures and wars. They have nothing to lose and are used to fights to the death.
I do not think conservatives can "win" a civil war. At best, we might carve out some territory to start over. And even that only IF the economy and central government collapses.
The economy is the Achilles Heal of the Deep State. They're printing so much money that, should the world drop the U.S. dollar as its reserve currency, the dollar will collapse in value. Billionaires will find themselves paupers, no longer able to buy influence. Soldiers and police, no longer being paid, will desert their posts. Riots, worse than 2020, will ensue and no one will be in charge.
Conservatives won't be able to take back the country. Much of it will be ungovernable. But some self-governing conservative areas might emerge.
Once the Democrats finish their corruption of the electoral process, the game is over; they will never relinquish power.
This is already an accomplished fact.
It is why they are calling to abolish the filibuster.
They believe they will never be put in a position to
need it again.
There’s no reason to fight. Both sides hate each other...
Time for a divorce and an agreed settlement and division of property.
PUS (Progressive United States) VS CUS (Conservative United States)
BOTH SIDES WOULD BE HAPPIER WITHOUT THE OTHER. IT’S TIME TO START THE PROCESS.
CUS Generals will win wars with honor.
PUS Generals will read Marx and CRT and leave citizens behind enemy lines.
Both countries will be ‘diverse’...
CUS will have the one in six black men and their families that voted for Trump (and any other blacks that want to live with traditional families and safe cities) and the almost 40% of Hispanics that voted for Trump and would like to live and work in a free country.
PUS will have all BLM blacks, Antifa, disgruntled professors, commies, and blacks and browns angry and pissed off about not ‘getting more’. PUS can now ‘give them more’ and liberal ‘elites’ and their pets will all be happy together. This can be done easily since most billionaires are liberal elites - and would be more than happy to spread their wealth around.
CUS will have secure borders and masks will be optional.
PUS will have open borders and hundreds of thousands of diseased illegals streaming into THEIR Progressive United States every month.
We will have safe and trusted elections.
They will have a policy of ‘anything goes’... and tons of white guilt.
CUS will support life.
PUS will allow abortions until 5 days AFTER BIRTH (in case the baby’s ugly.
WE CAN DO THIS - IT’S TIME TO START THE PROCESS OF DIVIDING THE COUNTRY
“In a very real way we have nothing to lose already. We are fighting for our lives and way of life.”
As Jack Torrence once told a bartender - “..Words of wisdom, Lloyd… Words. Of. Wisdom. ..”
<>This is already an accomplished fact.<>
I wrote the post ten months before the 2020 election.
The final electoral corruption will occur when they legalize their criminal operations of November 2020.
Oh, and lurking out there is the National Popular Vote compact.
And from those, sanity will be imposed on the ungovernable areas in the fullness of time.
I wonder how some other freepers will feel about your thinking?
No way there’s an agreed upon division geographically.
If you’re trying to pit me against other FReepers you can kindly GFY.
<>where it says secession is a right.<>
Good point.
Per the Declaration, altering our form of government is also a right.
It’s formalized in Article V.
Are you an Article V supporter?
We can't do it peacefully. The Left would never tolerate a "white supremacist" country on their border.
You really expect the Left to "give" "white supremacists" half the United States? Beautiful beaches, oil fields, minerals, Alaska, the Rocky Mountains, any land with any value?
The Left might say, "We'll give you Death Valley behind a barbed wire fence!"
There will be no compromise. Can you compromise with Antifa, BLM, AOC? These people want us genocided. "Giving" us our own country is "evil" in their eyes.
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