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Remembering JFK and PT-109 (a personal post)
https://freedom-demokrasi-and-civilised-humanity.com ^ | 2nd August 2021 australian time | OzGuy!945

Posted on 08/01/2021 11:43:56 PM PDT by Ozguy1945

In Australia's socialist left governed police state of Victoria, a man can be arrested for lobbying a female politician for World War Two memorial tree plantings.

A man can be hauled before a family violence court if a woman does not like the way he looks at her.

The police can throw a religious man in jail for conducting a mass. (Cardinal George Pell)

The price of liberty IS eternal vigilance against the dangers of leftist crap.

Remembering and honoring the heroes of WW2 is one way to oppose modern PC political stupidity.


TOPICS: History; Military/Veterans; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: blogpimp; demokrasi; heritage; itsdemocracy; jfk; pt109; ww2
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To: DIRTYSECRET
No doubt JFK loved his country but his fat youngest brother had no business running in ‘80.

Actually Ted's opposition to Carter in 1980 contributed to Carter's defeat at the hands of Reagan.

21 posted on 08/02/2021 8:00:48 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: DIRTYSECRET

The media called the Kennedy’s a Camelot event with bad luck truth is they were a stupid lot.


22 posted on 08/02/2021 8:09:52 AM PDT by Vaduz (women and children to be impacIQ of chimpsted the most.)
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To: Night Hides Not

Like them or not, JFK and GHWB stepped up and served. At least they had some balls. Not so much other politicians.


23 posted on 08/02/2021 8:13:26 AM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: Chainmail; SauronOfMordor

All well and good, but it was the May 1942 Battle of the Coral Sea that stymied the Jap advance on Australia.


24 posted on 08/02/2021 12:56:52 PM PDT by Jacquerie (ArticleVBlog.com)
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To: Jacquerie; SauronOfMordor
True enough, but it was Midway and Guadalcanal that stopped the Japanese offensive for good and gave breathing room for Australia.

Anybody remember the good old union dockworkers in New Zealand? Made the Marines who were soon to fight on Guadalcanal and Tulagi load their own ships - in the rain - while they held out for more money. Hope they ended up in the lowest regions of where the ambient settings are "deep fat fry" for that sliminess.

25 posted on 08/02/2021 1:25:07 PM PDT by Chainmail (Frater magnus te spectat)
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To: SauronOfMordor

Well, at least many of them made for memorable times with the Marines and sailors who visited there during the war...


26 posted on 08/02/2021 1:26:24 PM PDT by Chainmail (Frater magnus te spectat)
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To: Chainmail
He also had no one monitoring the radio !

The skipper of one of the other three boats on patrol with 109 said - quote “ When I heard 109 was hit, I asked myself ‘ I could see at 1500 to 1800 yards, why couldn't other people?’ I never got an answer. It could have been they were doping off (meaning goofing off not drug taking !)” Another skipper of a nearby boat said later “ It's amazing. You could see it at great distance. We saw it was more or less headed right at 109. We radioed Kennedy to look at his starboard bow. There was a bow wake coming directly toward him. No response. Nothing.”

He had only 1 of his 3 engines in gear which was against regulations. The squadron commander - Thomas Glover Warfield said JFK wasn't a particularly good boat commander.

No other motor torpedo boat was ever rammed by a destroyer in WWII on either side. The speed differential between the two would make that impossible for an alert boat ! It did not happen in the European\Mediterranean\Baltic theaters either where the Germans, Italians, Russians & British operated comparable craft. Also not in WWI. (Note the ship type destroyer originally came from a pre-WWI designation for torpedo boat destroyer. A ship specifically designed to destroy torpedo boats by rapid gunfire. When submarines entered fleets they displaced motor torpedo boats for the most part. The destroyer took on a different role one of firing torpedoes in fleet actions and antisubmarine.)

He was heroic in regard to saving his men. However he never should have gotten them in that fix.

Not making any of this up ! It's from the book “A Question of Character”: A Life Of John F. Kennedy” by Thomas C. Reeves. The book is meticulously sourced. Reeves admits at first he expected to write a glowing biography like most academics and others had done. However in his research he found a different story. In the bibliography I can go right to the basic sources. For 109 details: Blair's “The Search for JFK” and Robert J Bulkley’s definitive account on PT Boats in the USN - “At Close Quarters: PT Boats in the United States Navy”.

JFK dodged a court martial because of his family connections. You or I would have had that court martial.

Read the book, read the sources ! I did ! Then decide !

27 posted on 08/02/2021 2:18:48 PM PDT by Reily
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To: Reily
Horsefeathers, buddy!

According to Dick keresey in PT-105, there was "one garbled transmission" about destroyers running back down the strait, right after he had fired his torpedos at them. He said that the Jap DDs had fled "at flank speed" in the direction of the next division - Kennedy's.

He also said that it was a very black night and that everyone was exhausted on all the boats.

I don't care very much for JFK - but he was in combat, something that I respect and I don't listen to carping from people that were nowhere near that battle, that night.

The real scandal wasn't 109 being lost; It was the failure of anyone to bother looking for any survivors. The Navy was infamous for its negligence in searching for its sailors left in the water after actions. See the Battle of Savo Island or the Battle of Samar, or the loss of the USS Indianapolis.

28 posted on 08/02/2021 4:40:42 PM PDT by Chainmail (Frater magnus te spectat)
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To: Chainmail

Read the books !

They’re based on the Naval records.


29 posted on 08/02/2021 5:01:16 PM PDT by Reily
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To: Reily

Uh huh. I did that one better: I spoke with someone who was actually there. Naval records are fine, but written by people who weren’t there, or have an agenda, or as with some Marine Corps records, to hide their own errors.


30 posted on 08/02/2021 5:15:22 PM PDT by Chainmail (Frater magnus te spectat)
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To: Ozguy1945

MacArthur wanted JFK court-martialed for dereliction of duty (because he probably was asleep at the helm). Nimitz blocked the action because Annapolis grads and West Pointers loathe to pass on an opportunity to poke one another in the eye with a stick.


31 posted on 08/02/2021 9:06:41 PM PDT by Paal Gulli
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To: SauronOfMordor

“In a forum some years back, an Australian woman went off on me about the US US military.”

An Australian friend once told me that during the war years, her nightly devotional included a prayer that the Japanese not invade Australia. One might say that “prayers went up and blessings came down”.


32 posted on 08/03/2021 2:47:26 AM PDT by Huaynero
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