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Outgunned: Why California’s groundbreaking firearms law is failing
Cal Matters ^ | 7/21/2021 | Robert Lewis

Posted on 07/25/2021 12:30:38 PM PDT by PATed

"But what seemed at the time like a straight-forward approach to the enforcement of existing gun laws has instead become mired in chronic shortcomings, failing for years to make good on its potential. Successive administrations have vowed to fix the problems, but all have fallen short."

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TOPICS: Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: banglist; california; firearms; guncontrol; guns
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Spoiler Alert: This is what happens when a bunch of Marxist gun-grabbers try to operationalize their plans with a completely dysfunctional state government.
1 posted on 07/25/2021 12:30:38 PM PDT by PATed
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To: PATed
CalMatters spent three months examining the layered troubles of the Armed and Prohibited Persons System, interviewing current and former law enforcement officers, gun control advocates, lawmakers and researchers.

Something missing here...let's see, who could it be? Oh, yeah, not once here or in the article are lawful gun owners even mentioned.

2 posted on 07/25/2021 12:37:48 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: PATed

I have to disagree, sounds like a good program gone bad. Take guns away from people who were oredered to surrender their firearms do to domestic violence or mental issues.


3 posted on 07/25/2021 12:40:49 PM PDT by Ikeon (Some people don't play by the rules, and they ain't playing with you)
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To: Ikeon

The problem is that most California judges are Marxists, and have no mental health expertise. Every divorce has some shouting matches, and for these judges a shouting match = take away guns.


4 posted on 07/25/2021 12:45:05 PM PDT by PATed
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To: PATed

Morons-

And they just know they are so smart...

People are either

A.) A citizen, with rights.

Or

B.) A person that is a threat to society as a criminal, or danger to society if crazy. Then they should be incarcerated or institutionalized if the threat rises to that level.

This limbo land bullshit where we take a citizens rights away forever, although they paid their price in fines and and imprisonment is hypocritical and a joke. If they pose a threat, they should not be on the street because they can just as well kill people with a car, bomb made from common household or agricultural products, tools, poison, etc.

They are either a threat, or not a threat.

They either paid the price and are now fully restored as citizens, or they have not.

***What these idiots are really saying: we are looking for thousands of exceptions and exclusions to a Constitutional right, so that we can grab your gun for any reason (criminal, psychological, etc). We want to make it super easy for anyone at any level, to just make an accusation, and immediately your rights are suspended.


5 posted on 07/25/2021 12:46:41 PM PDT by Red6
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To: Ikeon

The road to hell is always paved with good intentions. Even Hitler would argue that he had good intentions.


6 posted on 07/25/2021 12:52:55 PM PDT by Jonty30 (My superpower is setting people up for failure, without meaning to. )
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To: PATed

“This is what happens when a bunch of Marxist gun-grabbers try to operationalize their plans with a completely dysfunctional state government.”

You just touched on one of the many reasons communism is low IQ.


7 posted on 07/25/2021 12:54:35 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (What are the implications if the Resurrection of Christ is a true event in history?)
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To: PATed

If you are a normal law abiding person just trying to live life in California, it is extremely inconvenient and costly to jump through the hoops.

If you are a homeless drug addicted drifter or foreign national in the commission of a felony you will remain legally off the radar.


8 posted on 07/25/2021 12:57:04 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: PATed

Nobody wants to try yo “confiscate” another American citizen’s property. Especially the only item that our constitutionally specifically protects his/ her ownership of.
Can’t think of a higher risk “job” unless it’s pulling wild lions’ teeth without any anesthetic
Or maybe standing on the track in front of the finish line at the Indy 500 race.
Or maybe being anywhere in the path of Chinese women drivers vying for that one last parking space at Costco.


9 posted on 07/25/2021 12:57:28 PM PDT by faithhopecharity ("Politicians are not created, they're excreted." Cicero 2000 years ago)
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To: Red6

I agree. What we don’t want are individual judges or politicians deciding who is sane or stable or not. Not when the President of the US believes men can get pregnant....

If I’m in prison, no guns for me. Once I get out...I’m a citizen again. And FWIW, I’ve never spent an hour in prison. Haven’t even had a traffic ticket in nearly 30 years. But a former gang member should still have the right to self-defense.


10 posted on 07/25/2021 12:57:52 PM PDT by Mr Rogers
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To: PATed

Give the government a break. They will be just as successful at banning illegal fire arms as they are banning illegal drugs flooding across the border and keeping illegal aliens from crossing the same border.


11 posted on 07/25/2021 1:04:15 PM PDT by antidemoncrat (somRead more at: https://economicti)
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Nobody wants to try to “confiscate” another American citizen’s property.

I think David Chipman does.

12 posted on 07/25/2021 1:08:11 PM PDT by gundog (It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen. )
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To: gundog

True.


13 posted on 07/25/2021 1:12:58 PM PDT by faithhopecharity ("Politicians are not created, they're excreted." Cicero 2000 years ago)
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To: PATed
Those who push for a disarmed society keep telling us registration lists will never be used to confiscate guns...

Until they are.

This whole program in California is designed to do exactly that.

14 posted on 07/25/2021 1:15:25 PM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries. )
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To: Ikeon
All it takes for the state to take your guns is a pissed off ex.

Do you trust your "reasonable" ex-wife? You already bought her a house, and are being bled dry with alimony and child support. Why not shit can the rest of your Constitutional rights?

15 posted on 07/25/2021 1:35:42 PM PDT by jonascord (First rule of the Dunning-Kruger Club is that you do not know you are in the Dunning-Kruger club.)
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To: Mr Rogers
And FWIW, I’ve never spent an hour in prison. Haven’t even had a traffic ticket in nearly 30 years.

Given your screen name, I wasn't worried. /rim shot>

16 posted on 07/25/2021 1:38:55 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: Ikeon

The Second Amendment makes no exceptions for misdemeanors, felonies, of restraining orders. The Second Amendment wording is absolute. Every gun law on he books is unConstitutional. The only possible exception is in the 13th Amendment in its reference to involuntary servitude as a punishment for crime which could be interpreted to disallow incarcerated persons to possess arms.


17 posted on 07/25/2021 2:07:40 PM PDT by arthurus (covfefe MM)
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To: jonascord

My reasonable ex took out an exparta protective order while she was in jail for 3rd degree assault. Yes she filed from jail.. .And I was the one she assaulted! She had a knack of manipulating men, playying the battered wife when she was the batterer. ! So yes I know the courts can screw up a lot of good intentions. The story says they wete people with convictions and known mental issues they were trying to round up.


18 posted on 07/25/2021 2:09:20 PM PDT by Ikeon (Some people don't play by the rules, and they ain't playing with you)
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To: jonascord

“Do you trust your “reasonable” ex-wife? You already bought her a house, and are being bled dry with alimony and child support. Why not shit can the rest of your Constitutional rights?”

Oh, he everlasting bliss of marriage. Why I’ve never done it.


19 posted on 07/25/2021 2:42:04 PM PDT by libstripper
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To: Ikeon
Consider that in many states, all it takes is HER SAYING that you CALLED her a reference to her ladybits, and that is a felony.

BANG. You will never work again, your security clearance flies south, forever, you can't even rent an apartment, assuming you can afford one, you can't even get a CDL...

20 posted on 07/25/2021 2:52:59 PM PDT by jonascord (First rule of the Dunning-Kruger Club is that you do not know you are in the Dunning-Kruger club.)
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