Posted on 06/18/2021 7:07:40 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel
OK, so this is mostly just a blowing-off-steam thread. (PLEASE feel free to post your steam!)
I'm disgusted by this nonsense. This is nothing but a "stick it to white Americans" ploy. Another childish, babyish action with zero background. Suddenly some local-yokel thing even blacks didn't know about is a national celebration.
When I kept hearing fireworks tonight around our neighborhood, it finally occurred to me it's probably about "Juneteenth"!
I think it’s the timing and circumstances that matter a lot. So much is changing now that the new holiday looks like part of a general surrender or collapse. If Trump signed the bill it would have a more positive connotation. I don’t think he’d call it a “National Independence Day” either.
“It’s about one thing now, regardless of past. Beating up on the USA and whites.”
Which is a usurpation, perversion and exploitation of it, as I stated.
Interesting. I like hearing about local celebrations I never heard of.
What’s Defender’s Day?
I don’t see how they are ‘different black and white holidays’.
What other holiday do we have that celebrates emancipation and the ending of slavery in these United States?
“I don’t see how they are ‘different black and white holidays’.
What other holiday do we have that celebrates emancipation and the ending of slavery in these United States?”
If you don’t see how the holidays are different I don’t know how to explain it to you. There are a lot people on FR and other sites that do to the point that I didn’t even consider my comment controversial. If the holiday was designed to celebrate the emancipation, why not have on the day the EMANCIPATION PROCLAMATION was signed? The answer is because it’s more social justice BS. You know they’re calling it “Juneteenth National Independence Day”, right? Don’t we already have an Independence Day? You know blacks already have their own national anthem and they’re trying to create their own flag? You really don’t see what’s happening?
The proclamation was signed in the midst of the Civil War, before anyone knew how things would really go. The slave states ignored it, and lots of slaves never heard about it, especially in the farthest reaches where federal troops hadn’t entered or had much influence until much later.
Why do you begrudge people celebrating that final day of Freedom for all of them?
And I’m not sure what ‘holidays’ you are comparing. The 4th of July didn’t become a federal holiday until 1941 - and we espoused all of those ideas from 1776 onward, while belying them with the practice of slavery.
Again, it seems very small to me, to begrudge a holiday celebrating the final communication of Emancipation to enslaved people.
(And why do you fall back upon the concurrence of other people on the Internet, to validate your opinions? Don’t you have faith in your own thought, on your own?)
It’s when Baltimore repelled the British from their attack and drove them away to give up until New Orleans (also drove much of the Treaty of Ghent). Sept 12 1814.
IOW, during which the Star-Spangled Banner was written, off shore.
Bingo.
Thanks.
Lots of slaves chose to remain with the families who had “owned’ them. My great-grandmother had one who remained with her. Rosa became a beloved member of the household. I’m sure there were many other stories like that.
I don’t know anyone who celebrates ‘Cinco de Mayo’ - and I live in a ‘barrio’.
I always thought that in America, it was just popularized as a way to sell beer...
You made a good point.
What do people think they were going to do? And I do mean, Yankees!
Just turn them out and let them flop around like a fish out of water?
And American Indians (noble savages) kept their slaves into 1866.
It is politically incorrect to bring all of this up as nor-eastern leftists try to virtue signal.
>>Why do you begrudge people celebrating that final day of Freedom for all of them?
ALL of them were not freed with end of the civil war.
And the proclamation was directed at slaves still held in Texas.
It was freed slaves in Texas who set up Freedman’s Town and purchased the land for Emancipation Park and took up celebrating Juneteenth in their communities.
But it means NOTHING in Hawaii or Washington or California.
Same as Mardi Gras means NOTHING in Seattle even though they use it as a drinking day.
There are people all over the nation who remember Juneteenth, because their ancestors were there in Texas.
And which ‘proclamation’ do you mean? Lincoln’s Emancipation Proclamation went into effect on January 1, 1863.
Bur the slaves in Texas weren’t freed until a couple of months after Lee surrendered at Appomattox - in 1865.
I guess I should have put a /sarcasm tag.
The proclamation was signed in the midst of the Civil War, before anyone knew how things would really go. The slave states ignored it, and lots of slaves never heard about it, especially in the farthest reaches where federal troops hadn’t entered or had much influence until much later.
Why do you begrudge people celebrating that final day of Freedom for all of them?
And I’m not sure what ‘holidays’ you are comparing. The 4th of July didn’t become a federal holiday until 1941 - and we espoused all of those ideas from 1776 onward, while belying them with the practice of slavery.
Again, it seems very small to me, to begrudge a holiday celebrating the final communication of Emancipation to enslaved people.
(And why do you fall back upon the concurrence of other people on the Internet, to validate your opinions? Don’t you have faith in your own thought, on your own?)
I’m going to reply to this and then give you the last word. I believe that celebrating on the date of the Emancipation Proclamation makes more sense than on the date of some obscure Texas holiday. You downplay the Emancipation Proclamation but throughout my life it was always a pretty big deal. I don’t “begrudge” the holiday, I really don’t give a crap. However, it’s more evidence of a divided country. We’re moving more and more toward “separate but equal”. That’s not the direction we need to be going. If you re-read my comment I think you will see that I wasn’t seeking validation for anything; my point was only that I didn’t see the comment as controversial. I would have the opinion whether anyone agreed with me or not. Nice attempt at a passive/aggresive insult, though.
The proclamation/announcement made in Galveston June 19th, 1965.
But there were slaves held in Deleware and Kentucky and Cherokee Nation that were not released until late 1865 or even mid 1866.
Juneteenth does NOT represent the end of slavery in America. It has no point being a national holiday.
>>Why do you begrudge people celebrating that final day of Freedom for all of them?
Because it isn’t “the final day of freedom”.
The Emancipation Proclamation was not a universal declaration of freed slaves. Certain states and parishes were exempted. And the end of the Civil War did not free those slaves either. The passage of the 13th Amendment freed most of the rest of the slaves still held captive in America but the American Indians held their slaves well into 1866.
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