Posted on 05/08/2021 4:27:30 PM PDT by A.M. Smith
The evidence has been posted all over these threads for the past month or more. You seem late to the party, Jamestown.
Maybe you’ve had too much of your personal ‘poison’ tonight....
I'm well past my 'personal poison' days, if you must know, Miss Buttinsky.
I’ve always thought until now that I’ve only disagreed with you and your motives.
Now I realize that I’ve vastly OVER estimated you.
You don’t seem good for much except easy, snarky ‘meme’ stuff.
You know better. dr.
Lol
You are a fake. Otherwise, you would happily call the JnJ vaccine what it is, gene therapy.
But you can’t...does that fact run counter to your agenda?
Well, which ‘threads’ are those? Direct me to some of that ‘evidence’.
I have heard it is .003 for adults who take the Jab. I don’t know if enough children have taken the shot.
Irregardless the good Anesthesiologists, most of the non vax people are not hoping for the worse. It’s that this entire shit doesn’t make sense. It wasn’t a novel virus. It was created in CCP. the vax was super quick (clinical trials started feb 25 2020 - go look at the timeline, it was on the shelf). The US political elite used it to scam an election. They killed the economy, used non existent powers in counties, states, and federal governments, used fear to persuade to the vax - yet anyone who says WTF are anti science, anti vaccine, ....
I still want to know WTF HAPPENED. My life is immaterial in a way. It doesn’t add up. Right now if the Fed gov said not to jump off a cliff, I might jump.
I hope the 70% vac people are safe, I hope the 30% non vac are 99.9% safe. That is ultimately the best scenario to not have all our hopes on one side.
Why can’t people see the best probability. The vax beyond all reason are wrong, the anti vax beyond all reason are wrong. We must have people on both sides to look back and see what’s best. This is probably the best solution. No one (with no health issues) under 35 should be vaxed. It’s statistically stupid.
I’m being long winded. It would be easy for a rational virologist to look at the infectious rates and come up with the optimal balance but no one does. Therefore I, in spite of my entire family ;) is the sole remaining controls group.
I’m under 55, good health.... I enter into this with a full understanding and under free will. No one has bribed Mitch drugs, food, $, job, fear, coercion, ... to remain in the control group. Can the vax group Say the same? NO THEY CANT.
I am ranting to no one but damn this stinks bad.
No. Idiots like you who cut and paste without knowledge of what they speak run counter to the agenda of freedom and liberty. You know, the things we stand up for around here
Another way of saying what you originally said would be,
I’ve had COVID once and fear getting it again, so (I got )...both my pfizer vaccines.
The fear is implied, and was placed in your head by the very agents who gave us the covid in the first place.
You need to know that.
Which means that you learned everything you know about virology and immunology from reading the words, works, and studies of others, just like any Tom, Dick, and Harry can do, and some on FR have done.
Your opinion is not superior to those people or of the myriad of actual experts who disagree with you.
Hate to break it to ya.
You seem under the impression that your 'estimation' is somehow important. How arrogant.
You don’t seem good for much except easy, snarky ‘meme’ stuff.
The meme is an effective way of conveying an idea using a few words combined with a picture or small video snippet.
The message sent can be on many levels and devastating.
You seem distressed that you don't have the ability to use memes in your messaging.
Its not that hard to learn. I'm puter illiterate and I seem to have picked it up. Of course, to use them with any success requires intelligence, imagination, and a sense of humor.
Your anger is one sign of that success.
Sorry, I am otherwise engaged in real time.
I can't be taking you on a personal history tour. Stick around on these thread and actually read what people post and you will get up to speed.
I think that is a correct position. It is not a matter of vaccine or no vaccine, it is a matter of a safe vaccine vs an unsafe one.
I’m glad I was vaccinated as a kid and that we have vaccines - that are properly trial tested.
Two years from now do we see serious side effect by the millions of people?
Says the guy advocating for government coerced unnecessary and risky vaccinations of the entire population at threat of freedom.
Do you not see the irony?
If you are not vaccinated, please do not board my flight or my cruise ship.
No, I’m very involved in ‘real’ life, too.
Too many people here post opinions and assertions with no backup or corroborating evidence, no links to original sources, &c. They just expect us all to believe what they write and share in their conspiratorial fever.
Almost everything on FR about the vaccines seems to be propaganda - except that from those who have gone through it and have experienced no ill effects.
Any vaccine is going to have adverse effects for a very small percentage of individuals - it’s unavoidable because we are all individuals in every way, including the biological.
From what I’ve heard of the people I know who have actually contracted Covid 19, I’m glad to take the vaccine.
I hope you don’t catch it, Baggums.
No I am an anesthesiologist with special qualifications and board cert in critical care.
And all this time I thought you were a proctologist.
First link was broken. Sorry.
You literally have no idea whatyou're talking about.
And I don't have time to correct you in detail, so here's the cliffs notes TO the cliffs notes.
1) it's not the muscle cells.
Experiments with mRNA injections in mice (in published work in IIRC, the British Medical Journal) show material from the jab, in all kinds of organs and tissues throughout the body within 24 hours.
2) that means by definition, the mRNA is carried in the blood and/or lymph
3) Published experimental work with spike protein on human blood has shown it induces clotting even without the virus being present.
3) The cells which are raising the red flags are the cells (primarily) with the ACE2 receptors.
a) when the spike protein interacts with the ACE2 receptor, even without entering the cell, the cell involved starts producing a number of pro-inflammatory signaling molecules including one sometimes called the master inflammatory molecule.
b) For the mRNA jabs, the cell which takes in the mRNA is prompted to create spike protein and embed spike protein in the cell's surface
c) Since from point 2) above, the mRNA is carried via the blood, this means endothelial cells (lining the blood vessels) are targets.
d) According to a highly regarded Thai-German MD in a video interview, when this happens, the spike proteins poking out of the endothelial cells can start platelets in the blood clotting on contact
e) In addition, he says the body notices the spike proteins poking out of those cells and attacks them. Now you have damage to the linings of the blood vessels
f) Then, the body notices the damage to the blood vessels and tries to repair that with scarring / clotting.
4) The spike protein has been shown to cross the blood-brain barrier.
5) The Salk Institute details damage the spike protein in the real virus does in the lungs. It's quite reasonable to think the isolated spike protein would do something similar.
6) One other medical source I've misplaced, said that cells which are prompted by the mRNA jabs, to express spike protein, having the spike protein on their surface, sometimes interact with the ACE2 receptor on the cell next door; the result is that the cell walls merge, and both cells die.
Please learn to read more before spouting off, ok?
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