Posted on 03/01/2021 8:39:19 AM PST by Onthebrink
“Adequately responding to the pandemic involves not only controlling COVID-19 cases and deaths but also addressing indirect social and economic consequences,” Dr. Ellicott Matthay, a postdoctoral scholar with the Center for Health and Community at UCSF, said in a statement.
According to her team’s study that was published in the American Journal of Public Health, the data projected that the spring 2020 spike in unemployment in the United States would lead to 30,231 excess deaths among those aged twenty-five to sixty-four in the ensuing twelve months.
(Excerpt) Read more at 19fortyfive.com ...
A drop in bucket after seeing 525,762 deaths the last 12 months.
30,231? Not 30,322? Or 30,230?
How do they know? (Rhetorical question).
Assuming some sort of date-driven research.
Real research would not give such specific numbers.
That seems quite low, but then you look and see they’re restricting it to the following 12 months.
Yes, please include for me the second and third order effects of businesses being run out of business and families being thrown into poverty and expand the scope to excess deaths over the next 50 years, including lack of educational attainment, nutritional deficiencies, and so on. All of these have indirect consequences. Ripple effects, if you will.
Ultimately, I wouldn’t be surprised at all if the response from state and local governments killed more than the virus itself. Which is really saying something, considering the virus has managed to kill off over a half million Americans. Though it did have some help from Cuomo, Newsom, and other governors who forced nursing homes to accept known-infected COVID patients.
Obvious the kids weren’t paying attention the day the teacher explained significant digits and rounding, isn’t it?
I find it amusing that in actual engineering everything is round off and yet these fuzzy pseudo-sciences (laughingly called “soft sciences”) give such specifics. One might think they were just making it all up.
It’s even funnier when these idiots say “We follow the science” and they don’t know ANYTHING about precision, accuracy, significant digits, etc. How can you think you know anything about science when you don’t know the barest rudiments of numerical analysis and you broadcast your ignorance in public?
Actually, it would be funny if it weren’t so tragic. They seem to get a lot of traction out of shouting “We follow the SCIENCE [unlike those Republican Neanderthals].”
Bkmk
‘Which is really saying something, considering the virus has managed to kill off over a half million Americans.’
some context, please, if you insist on bandying about government funded fearmongering numbers...
these half million Americans, how old are they, what are their underlying health concerns, how many of them would have died within the next few months, how many would have not died for a long time if not for covid...otherwise, your ‘numbers’ are mere ciphers...
This sounds like the opening statement for the defense at Cuomo's and Newsom's criminal trials for criminally negligent homicide.
The fact is that 2020 saw 500,000 more deaths than 2019 did. That's a 17% jump. It's a lot, considering that 0.3% - 0.7% is a normal year-over-year increase. 17% is not.
Did shutting down the economy make sense as a response? No. Did creating a panic make sense as a response? No. Did convincing people to pack into Costco and grocery stores during a pandemic make sense? No. Did killing off small businesses help anyone? No.
But people have died. Young or old, life is precious. And if I walk into a nursing home and start shooting people, nobody should be reacting to that by thinking "well, those people didn't have a lot of quality time left anyway".
One more reason for Biden and his thugs to bring in a fell million more ‘undocumented’ (illegals) for Americans to support and compete with.
These commies don’t have the excuse of ‘caring about the workers’ anymore. Gloves are off - they’re bullies.
‘This sounds like the opening statement for the defense at Cuomo’s and Newsom’s criminal trials for criminally negligent homicide.’
nice try (not really, but why quibble...?)
‘The fact is that 2020 saw 500,000 more deaths than 2019 did.’
you are asserting that based on government funded numbers, the same government that decided that shutting society down was a peachy keen idea...not everyone so blithely accepts such pronouncements...
‘And if I walk into a nursing home and start shooting people, nobody should be reacting to that by thinking “well, those people didn’t have a lot of quality time left anyway”.’
what an inane statement; I asked you a question based on your assertion of an increase in deaths that were specifically due to covid; my point is that if a certain cohort of your excess deaths,(the huge majority, btw) elderly people who are sick and are likely to die within a specific period of time, then how can you attribute those deaths solely to the presence of a pathogen, which is what you do each time you spout these numbers...people in that condition can die at any time, for any number of reasons...but of course you already knew what I was getting at, and just chose to be a wiseass about it and lump me in with the Mengeles of the world...
you think I’m a psycho, not much I can do or say about it, so go ahead, have at it...
They aren't. The aggregate totals and the individual numbers from the reporting jurisdictions are reported by the government, but they come from the individual reporting jurisdictions. That's the source. They come from hospitals, based on death certificates signed by doctors. Any attempt to alter the numbers requires altering information from many sources with lots of eyes on it. And all this happened in the Trump Administration.
"the same government that decided that shutting society down was a peachy keen idea"
That was the decision of the governors; not the reporting jurisdictions sending their numbers to the CDC and not the CDC themselves. The CDC publishes those numbers and a total. If you alter the total, the numbers from the reporting jurisdictions don't add up. If you alter the numbers from the reporting jurisdictions, that becomes extremely clear immediately to anyone familiar with them. 0 reporting jurisdictions have accused the CDC of altering their numbers. And those numbers are accompanied by death certificates. A million doctors around the US didn't get together to forge a half million death certificates for people who don't exist.
"how can you attribute those deaths solely to the presence of a pathogen, which is what you do each time you spout these numbers...people in that condition can die at any time, for any number of reasons"
One would have to believe in truly phenomenally unlikely coincidences to believe that in the same year we have a pandemic that doctors around the world say they're losing patients to all the time, we just happened to have a ton of old folks suddenly decide to drop dead - out of the blue - for no reason - unrelated to the pandemic.
There's a global pandemic that doctors and nurses around the world are saying is claiming the lives of many, many patients. There's also a huge increase in the total number of deaths during that same time. Putting two and two together makes sense. Claiming they're unrelated is silly.
"you think I’m a psycho"
I don't, actually. I happen to find you to be generally pretty thoughtful and respectful, which I appreciate. I may not always agree with you, but I don't have any reason to think you're anything but a good and decent person.
Never knew unemployment would cause death but look where the researchers are from - UC San Francisco. It’s amazing that we’re just learning how deadly unemployment can be - especially when RESEARCHERS get an idea for a research project.. Wonder how much it paid!
“”The researchers added that the thirty thousand-plus figure indeed represents the best estimate based on recent studies of the risk of death associated with unemployment, as well as the latest unemployment data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics and mortality data from the National Center for Health Statistics.””
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