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Last Battleship Battle And Other Navy Lasts That Should Not Be Forgotten
19FortyFive ^ | 2/12/2021 | Peter Suicu

Posted on 02/13/2021 6:43:17 AM PST by Onthebrink

The final battleship battle in history has long been considered a one-sided slaughter. The Battle of Surigao Strait, which was part of the larger Battle of Leyte Gulf, took place from October 24-25, 1944, and was one of only two battleship-versus-battleship naval battles of the entire campaign in the Pacific during the Second War II. Both were fought between the United States Navy and the Imperial Japanese Navy (IJN).

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1 posted on 02/13/2021 6:43:17 AM PST by Onthebrink
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To: Onthebrink

Yawn. Very superficial discussion of naval battles - for no obvious point.


2 posted on 02/13/2021 6:50:21 AM PST by Chainmail (Remember that half the people you meet are below average intelligence)
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To: Onthebrink

Their orders were...Attack!Attack!Attack.


3 posted on 02/13/2021 6:50:29 AM PST by HighSierra5
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To: Chainmail
Yawn. Very superficial discussion of naval battles - for no obvious point.

Of course there's a point. Clicks to the blog.

4 posted on 02/13/2021 6:51:56 AM PST by real saxophonist (The mouse doesn't understand why the cheese is free.)
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To: Chainmail

The author may have cherry-picked his examples, but I think the main ‘point’ was that ‘lasts’ can be more important historically than ‘firsts’. I think he makes a decent argument. But I’d rather see a more in-depth discussion from naval historians.


5 posted on 02/13/2021 7:35:40 AM PST by Tallguy
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To: Onthebrink

Likely a much more concise and detailed account than the blog. Sorry, OP, but you need to stop posting your blog as clickbait.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Leyte_Gulf#Battle_of_Surigao_Strait_(25_October_1944)

Battle of Surigao Strait (25 October 1944)​[edit]

See also: Leyte Gulf order of battle

The Battle of Surigao Strait
The Battle of Surigao Strait is significant as the last battleship-to-battleship action in history. The Battle of Surigao Strait was one of only two battleship-versus-battleship naval battles in the entire Pacific campaign of World War II (the other being the naval battle during the Guadalcanal Campaign, where the USS South Dakota and Washington sank the Japanese battleship Kirishima). It was also the last battle in which one force (in this case, the U.S. Navy) was able to “cross the T” of its opponent. However, by the time that the battleship action was joined, the Japanese line was very ragged and consisted of only one battleship (Yamashiro), one heavy cruiser, and one destroyer, so that the “crossing of the T” was notional and had little effect on the outcome of the battle.[37][38][page needed]

Japanese Forces​[edit]

Nishimura’s “Southern Force” consisted of the old battleships Yamashiro and Fusō, the heavy cruiser Mogami, and four destroyers,[39] Shigure, Michishio, Asagumo and Yamagumo. This task force left Brunei after Kurita at 15:00 on 22 October, turning eastward into the Sulu Sea and then northeasterly past the southern tip of Negros Island into the Mindanao Sea. Nishimura then proceeded northeastward with Mindanao Island to starboard and into the south entrance to the Surigao Strait, intending to exit the north entrance of the Strait into Leyte Gulf where he would add his firepower to that of Kurita’s force.

The Japanese Second Striking Force was commanded by Vice Admiral Kiyohide Shima and comprised heavy cruisers Nachi (flag) and Ashigara, the light cruiser Abukuma, and the destroyers Akebono, Ushio, Kasumi, and Shiranui.

The Japanese Southern Force was attacked by U.S. Navy bombers on 24 October but sustained only minor damage.

Nishimura was unable to synchronise his movements with Shima and Kurita because of the strict radio silence imposed on the Center and Southern Forces. When he entered the Surigao Strait at 02:00, Shima was 25 nmi (29 mi; 46 km) behind him and Kurita was still in the Sibuyan Sea, several hours from the beaches at Leyte.

Engagement​[edit]

As the Japanese Southern Force approached the Surigao Strait, it ran into a deadly trap set by the U.S. 7th Fleet Support Force. Rear Admiral Jesse Oldendorf had a substantial force comprising
six battleships: West Virginia, Maryland, Mississippi, Tennessee, California, and Pennsylvania which carried 48 14-inch (356 mm) and 16 16-inch (406 mm) guns;
four heavy cruisers USS Louisville (flagship), Portland, Minneapolis, and HMAS Shropshire which carried 35 8-inch (203 mm) guns;
four light cruisers Denver, Columbia, Phoenix, and Boise which carried 54 6-inch (152 mm) guns; and
28 destroyers and 39 motor torpedo boats (Patrol/Torpedo (PT) boats) with smaller guns and torpedoes.

Five of the six battleships had been sunk or damaged in the attack on Pearl Harbor and subsequently repaired or, in the cases of Tennessee, California, and West Virginia, rebuilt. The sole exception was Mississippi which had been in Iceland on convoy-escort duty at that time. To pass through the narrows and reach the invasion shipping, Nishimura would have to run the gauntlet of torpedoes from the PT boats and destroyers before advancing into the concentrated fire of 14 battleships and cruisers deployed across the far mouth of the Strait.[33][page needed]

At 22:36, PT-131 (Ensign Peter Gadd) was operating off Bohol when it made contact with the approaching Japanese ships. The PT boats made repeated attacks for more than three and a half hours as Nishimura’s force streamed northward. No torpedo hits were scored, but the PT boats did send contact reports which were of use to Oldendorf and his force.[33][page needed]

Nishimura’s ships passed unscathed through the gauntlet of PT boats. However, their luck ran out a short time later, as they were subjected to devastating torpedo attacks from the American destroyers deployed on both sides of their axis of advance. At about 03:00, both Japanese battleships were hit by torpedoes. Yamashiro was able to steam on, but Fusō was torpedoed by USS Melvin and fell out of formation, sinking forty minutes later. Two of Nishimura’s four destroyers were sunk; the destroyer Asagumo was hit and forced to retire, but later sank.[33][page needed]

Sinking of the Fusō​[edit]

The traditional account of the sinking of the Fusō was that she exploded into two halves that remained floating for some time. However, Fusō survivor Hideo Ogawa, interrogated in 1945, in an article on the battleship’s last voyage, stated: “Shortly after 0400 the ship capsized slowly to starboard and Ogawa and others were washed away,”[40] without specifically mentioning the bisection. Fusō was hit on the starboard side by two or possibly three torpedoes. One of these started an oil fire, and as the fuel used by IJN ships was poorly refined and easily ignited, burning patches of fuel could have led to the description from Allied observers of Fusō “blowing up”. However, battleships were known to sometimes be cut into two or even three sections which could remain afloat independently, and Samuel Morison states that the bow half of Fusō was sunk by gunfire from Louisville, and the stern half sank off Kanihaan Island.

USS West Virginia firing on the Japanese fleet
Battle continues​[edit]

At 03:16, West Virginia’s radar picked up the surviving ships of Nishimura’s force at a range of 42,000 yd (24 mi; 21 nmi; 38 km). West Virginia tracked them as they approached in the pitch black night. At 03:53, she fired the eight 16 in (406 mm) guns of her main battery at a range of 22,800 yd (13.0 mi; 11.3 nmi; 20.8 km) or 12.9 miles, striking Yamashiro with her first salvo. She went on to fire a total of 93 shells. At 03:55, California and Tennessee joined in, firing 63 and 69 shells, respectively, from their 14 in (356 mm) guns. Radar fire control allowed these American battleships to hit targets from a distance at which the Japanese battleships with their inferior fire control systems could not return fire.[33][page needed][38][page needed]

The other three U.S. battleships also had difficulty, equipped with less advanced gunnery radar. Maryland eventually succeeded in visually ranging on the splashes of the other battleships’ shells, and then fired a total of forty-eight 16 in (406 mm) projectiles. Pennsylvania was unable to find a target and her guns remained silent.[33][page needed]

Mississippi only fired once in the battle-line action, a full salvo of twelve 14-in shells. This was the last salvo ever fired by a battleship against another battleship in history, closing a significant chapter in naval warfare.[33][page needed]

Yamashiro and Mogami were crippled by a combination of 16-in and 14-in armor-piercing shells, as well as the fire of Oldendorf’s flanking cruisers. The cruisers that had the latest radar equipment fired well over 2,000 rounds of armor-piercing 6-inch and 8-inch shells. Louisville (Oldendorf’s flagship) fired 37 salvos—333 rounds of 8-inch shells. The Japanese command had apparently lost grasp of the tactical picture, with all ships firing all batteries in several directions, “frantically showering steel through 360°.”[41]Shigure turned and fled but lost steering and stopped dead. At 04:05 Yamashiro was struck by a torpedo fired by the destroyer Bennion,[42][43] and suddenly sank at about 04:20, with Nishimura on board. Mogami and Shigure retreated southwards down the Strait. The destroyer Albert W. Grant was hit by friendly fire during the night battle, but did not sink.

The rear of the Japanese Southern Force—the “Second Striking Force” commanded by Vice Admiral Shima—had departed from Mako and approached Surigao Strait about 40 mi (35 nmi; 64 km) astern of Nishimura. Shima’s run was initially thrown into confusion by his force nearly running aground on Panaon Island after failing to factor the outgoing tide into their approach. Japanese radar was almost useless due to excessive reflections from the many islands. The American radar was equally unable to detect ships in these conditions, especially PT boats, but PT-137 hit the light cruiser Abukuma with a torpedo that crippled her and caused her to fall out of formation. Shima’s two heavy cruisers, Nachi and Ashigara, and four destroyers[33][page needed] next encountered remnants of Nishimura’s force. Shima saw what he thought were the wrecks of both Nishimura’s battleships and ordered a retreat. His flagship Nachi collided with Mogami, flooding Mogami’s steering room and causing her to fall behind in the retreat; she was further damaged by American carrier aircraft the next morning, abandoned, and scuttled by a torpedo from Akebono.

Results​[edit]

Of Nishimura’s seven ships, only Shigure survived long enough to escape the debacle, but eventually succumbed to the American submarine Blackfin on 24 January 1945, which sank her off Kota Bharu, Malaya, with 37 dead.[33][page needed][38][page needed] Shima’s ships did survive the Battle of Surigao Strait, but they were sunk in further engagements around Leyte. The Southern Force provided no further threat to the Leyte landings.


6 posted on 02/13/2021 7:41:03 AM PST by Larry Lucido (Donate! Don't just post clickbait!)
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To: Onthebrink

For some reason he stops the post with the last British Battleship built, HMS Vsnguard, launched in 1946 and stopped service in 1959.

Yet he doesn’t mention the last few battleships to see combat. That is reserved for the US’s Iowa class battleships.

The last battleships to see combat was the USS Missouri and the USS Wisconsin in the Desert Storm Gulf War of 1991. The Missouri had fired a total 783 rounds of 16 in (406 mm) shells and launched 28 Tomahawk cruise missiles during the first two months of 1991. Wisconsin fired 24 Tomahawks. Wisconsin fired many shells as well.

On the night of February 23, Missouri and Wisconsin turned their big guns on Kuwait’s Faylaka Island to support the US-led coalition ground offensive to free Kuwait from the Iraqi occupation forces.

Both Wisconsin and Missouri passed the million-pound mark of ordnance delivered on Iraqi targets by the time president George H. W. Bush ended hostilities on February 28. With one last salvo from her big guns, Wisconsin fired the last naval gunfire support mission of the war, and thus was the final battleship in world history to see action.


7 posted on 02/13/2021 7:55:46 AM PST by Alas Babylon! ("You, the American people, are my only special interest." --President Donald J. Trump)
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To: Onthebrink
I get a kick out of the Japanese names for their ships. Battleships were often named for mountains, although Fusō is a poetic name for Japan (sort of like calling the US "Columbia.") Aircraft carriers were often named after mythical creatures or moods (Flying Dragon, Green Dragon and Increased Joy). The destroyers mentioned here are named for natural phenomena.

Shigure-drizzle
Michishio--full tide
Asagumo-morning clouds
Yamagumo-mountain cloud
Akebono-daybreak
Ushio-tide
Kasumi-mist
Shiranui-ghost light

8 posted on 02/13/2021 8:49:20 AM PST by Fiji Hill
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To: Fiji Hill

Akebono - was a rikshi and yokozuna..


9 posted on 02/13/2021 9:18:02 AM PST by RitchieAprile (available monkeys looking for the change..)
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To: Larry Lucido

My dad was a 1st class MM in one of the WeeVee’s engine rooms during this battle.


10 posted on 02/13/2021 9:18:42 AM PST by Bull Snipe
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To: real saxophonist

OK, I’ve got a question.

What is the big deal on this guy posting links to his blog being ‘clickbait’?

First off, I turned off both my adblockers in Chrome and I don’t see any ads. So what are the supposed ‘clicks’ for? Yes, he’s seeking advertisers, but doesn’t seem to have any.

And as far as I’m aware ‘clicks’ don’t really mean anything without ads unless you’re just curious about the number of visitors you have to your site.

Personally I find his articles interesting and often find other interesting ones on his sidebar, something I wouldn’t see if he pasted the entire post into the blog.

Somebody posted a link to the Wikipedia page about this battle and said this is a ‘much more concise and detailed account.’ Well, of course it is.

It’s 50+ freaking pages. It’s where I would go if I wanted more information after reading this detailed summary. And it has a lot of junk carried over with it.

In addition, it seems most of the time that when an article does get pasted like this, it brings a lot of junk with it, like pull quotes, sidebar stuff, etc., making it hard to read.

Lastly, I regularly see excerpted posts from executedtoday.com, another site I find interesting. And even though he has ads on the site, I don’t believe I’ve ever seen any complaints about ‘clickbait’.

And how is this any different than sites like Powerline, Townhall, and others selling memberships, subscriptions, or just outright begging for money(donations)?

So what’s the difference, and what am I missing?


11 posted on 02/13/2021 9:40:22 AM PST by chaosagent (Remember, no matter how you slice it, forbidden fruit still tastes the sweetest!)
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To: chaosagent
He's a blogpimp, not interested in discussion. Yes, he posts from other sites, but rarely (almost never) responds.

But with this particular blog, blogpimp.

12 posted on 02/13/2021 10:00:12 AM PST by real saxophonist (The mouse doesn't understand why the cheese is free.)
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To: Onthebrink

Why is the Freepr management not posting a “Commercial Message” advisory on all the links to 19FortyFive?

Because not doing so is deceptive.

And besides, the historical ignorance of whoever runs that site is appalling.


13 posted on 02/13/2021 10:01:38 AM PST by Paal Gulli
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To: chaosagent
And, it's generally really poor information, sometimes bordering on fantasy.

Don't throw out anything you have from Janes.

14 posted on 02/13/2021 10:04:08 AM PST by real saxophonist (The mouse doesn't understand why the cheese is free.)
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To: Tallguy

Extremely superficial and poorly written — the central theme of 19fortyfive.


15 posted on 02/13/2021 12:29:26 PM PST by Chainmail (Remember that half the people you meet are below average intelligence)
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To: Fiji Hill

Nice! I actually like those, for the Japanese Navy of course!

Someone suggested that we should call Maise Hironemo MaiShi. Would she be suitably insulted?


16 posted on 02/13/2021 8:08:07 PM PST by Pete from Shawnee Mission
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To: Pete from Shawnee Mission

There was a Japanese destroyer called the Floral Fragrance.


17 posted on 02/13/2021 8:18:43 PM PST by Fiji Hill
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To: Fiji Hill
A decidedly different aesthetic in how you regard battle and ship naming. Of course, there are those samuri rabbit helmets...
18 posted on 02/13/2021 8:28:40 PM PST by Pete from Shawnee Mission
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To: chaosagent; Onthebrink
What is the big deal on this guy posting links to his blog being ‘clickbait’?

Because it merely provides a 3 sentence excerpt, as is was WaPo, and not even close to the 300 word excerpt allowed for even most restricted sites, and if this the poster's blog, then he could post the whole thing. With about 500 articles a day being posted on FR, the less we need to follow links then the less time and space it used. See An exhortation to those who post threads.

19 posted on 02/14/2021 4:32:14 AM PST by daniel1212 (Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned + destitute sinner + trust Him to save + be baptized+follow Him!)
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