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Well Known "Short" Investor Citron Research Is Abandoning the Strategy as a Result of GameStop Losses
RedState ^ | January 29, 2021 | Shipwreckedcrew

Posted on 01/30/2021 8:43:32 AM PST by CheshireTheCat

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To: CheshireTheCat

A great victory. Short selling should be banned.


41 posted on 01/30/2021 1:24:49 PM PST by Mr. Blond
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To: CheshireTheCat

If you believe they closed out their short positions, I have a bridge to sell you.


42 posted on 01/30/2021 1:28:00 PM PST by rednesss (fascism is the union,marriage,merger or fusion of corporate economic power with governmental power )
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To: Yo-Yo
Shorting a stock turns the market into a casino.

In casino terms, it's like betting the Don't Pass/Don't Come line in Craps.

You win when everyone else loses.

-PJ

43 posted on 01/30/2021 1:32:12 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (Freedom of the press is the People's right to publish, not CNN's right to the 1st question.)
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To: Amberdawn

Gamestop has been dying for years. They have a few fundamental problems, first and foremost being they’re dishonest with the customers so nobody really likes going there. Add the fact that all the game systems now have online stores and physical media (with the ability to sell used media) is going away. They’re a dead company walking. All the hedge funds saw was a way to make quick money on a company that’s already 3/4 of the way down the drain. Doesn’t matter what their stock trades at, they got 2 maybe 3 years left.


44 posted on 01/30/2021 1:38:07 PM PST by discostu (Like a dog being shown a card trick )
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To: Toddsterpatriot
What's artificial about it?

The whole point of a stock is a valuation of how much ownership in the company is worth. If a company issues 49% of itself as 1MM stock, and each stock is $2, then that company's value is about $4MM. This is based on the company's assets, revenue/profit, future potential, and other financial/physical metrics. Unless there's other major factors/events (company invents a new cheap fuel source, rival company invents a new cheap fuel source, etc), the real value of that company should stay pretty close to $4MM. If their stocks double, triple, or get cut by 50%, 80% simply due to market manipulation, how is that not artificial? It's not based on actual value (or not) from the company, it's simply someone gaming the system to make the company appear more or less valuable, simply for the purpose of making money off of that valuation, not off the value of the company. I would call that artificial, yes.
45 posted on 01/30/2021 1:41:13 PM PST by Svartalfiar
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46 posted on 01/30/2021 1:42:32 PM PST by Bookshelf
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To: Mr. Blond
A great victory. Short selling should be banned.

But how do you differentiate between short selling and someone simply selling short because they don't want the shares anymore?

I would say the whole "borrowing" of shares to do the short should be illegal, but simply selling your own shares short shouldn't be.
47 posted on 01/30/2021 1:44:25 PM PST by Svartalfiar
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To: Svartalfiar
If a company issues 49% of itself as 1MM stock,

How does a company issue less than 100% of itself?

If their stocks double, triple, or get cut by 50%, 80% simply due to market manipulation, how is that not artificial?

How is selling short....manipulation?

It's not based on actual value (or not) from the company, it's simply someone gaming the system to make the company appear more or less valuable,

If I buy 1000 shares, because I think it's undervalued, I'm guilty of artificially manipulating the price?

48 posted on 01/30/2021 1:58:41 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (TANSTAAFL)
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To: Bookshelf

Yep that’s him when he tells his clients he is shorting a stock cause he doesn’t like the value of it he has caused massive losses for mom and pop investors


49 posted on 01/30/2021 2:10:35 PM PST by Lod881019
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To: Svartalfiar

Selling your own shares isn’t shorting. If you don’t believe in a stock, you take your money elsewhere.


50 posted on 01/30/2021 2:25:27 PM PST by Mr. Blond
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To: discostu

Yes, but that doesn’t explain why those redditor’s are supporting the company. Most of them may be autistic video game players, but they clearly have an attachment to the company and didn’t want to see hedge funders killing it off just so they could make money.


51 posted on 01/30/2021 2:51:55 PM PST by Amberdawn (Want To Honor Our Troops? Then Be A Citizen Worth Fighting For.)
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To: Amberdawn

They’re not supporting the company, they’re jacking the hedge fund. They don’t give a crap about Gamestop. They realized a hedge fund was over leveraged on shorts and monkey wrenched them. They also propped up AMC movie chain too. Not for the company, for the monkey wrench.


52 posted on 01/30/2021 2:55:24 PM PST by discostu (Like a dog being shown a card trick )
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To: Amberdawn
they clearly have an attachment to the company and didn't want to see hedge funders killing it off just so they could make money.

How does a hedge fund kill off the company by selling stock short?

53 posted on 01/30/2021 3:24:47 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (TANSTAAFL)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
How does a company issue less than 100% of itself?

When a company has an IPO, they don't sell off the entire company. They determine how much of the company needs to be sold to raise the capital they want. If you only need to sell 25% of the company to raise the money to build the new warehouse, why would you risk selling off the entire company to unknown/competitor investors?


How is selling short....manipulation?

How is it not? If a company is worth say $10/share based on revenue, profit, assets, and so forth, and you try to force the price down to $1 a share by making people think the company isn't worth $10 a share, what do you call it?


If I buy 1000 shares, because I think it's undervalued, I'm guilty of artificially manipulating the price?

Huh? That's not what I said - are you buying those shares at way more than they're worth in order to try to jack the price up? Buying them at market price because you think they're worth more than people are selling them for isn't manipulation.
54 posted on 01/30/2021 8:21:02 PM PST by Svartalfiar
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To: Yo-Yo
What possible good (other than the short sellers making money) comes from short selling?

It allows you to force your competition out of business.

Lets say you own YY Widget company.

You have a up and coming ZZ Widget company nipping at your heels. They do things you will not, like make a smaller, stronger widget and they allow people to re-sell their widgets when they are through with them.

So you talk with your old buddy that works with a hedge fund and tell him that you know a way he can make a bunch of money.

They do a short go on CNN and spread some lies and the price of ZZ stock falls. They make more money, you get rid of an annoyance and you will be able to pick up some prime people at bargain basement prices when they are out of a job because their company collapses.

Its a win for everybody!

55 posted on 01/30/2021 8:39:45 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (May their path be strewn with Legos, may they step on them with bare feet until they repent. )
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To: Amberdawn
If the hedge funders win, Gamestop will have to close it’s doors because they don’t sell their games online.

Yeah, they do.

56 posted on 01/30/2021 8:42:35 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (May their path be strewn with Legos, may they step on them with bare feet until they repent. )
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To: Nailbiter

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57 posted on 01/30/2021 9:01:23 PM PST by Nailbiter
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

Well, I heard talk among the redditor’s that because Gamestop still has brick and mortar stores, that they neglected to move “online only”. This has hurt the company in that they have higher overhead and the pandemic shut down has hurt foot traffic.


58 posted on 01/30/2021 10:04:53 PM PST by Amberdawn (Want To Honor Our Troops? Then Be A Citizen Worth Fighting For.)
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To: Paladin2

....and fun to watch for the whole family


59 posted on 01/31/2021 4:52:31 AM PST by Revelation 911
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To: Svartalfiar
If a company is worth say $10/share based on revenue, profit, assets, and so forth,

Who makes that decision? The company? The analyst? You?

and you try to force the price down to $1 a share by making people think the company isn't worth $10 a share, what do you call it?

Force it? You think it's worth $10 "based on revenue, profit, assets, and so forth", I think, "based on FUTURE revenue, SHRINKING profit, DECLINING assets, and so forth" that it's worth $1. So I borrow some and sell it at $10.

are you buying those shares at way more than they're worth in order to try to jack the price up?

No. I'm buying them at the market price because I'm hoping the price goes up.

Buying them at market price because you think they're worth more than people are selling them for isn't manipulation.

But selling them short - at market price because I think they're worth less than people are selling them for is manipulation?

60 posted on 01/31/2021 7:16:13 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (TANSTAAFL)
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