Posted on 10/16/2020 4:29:43 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
If you’re thinking about getting a flu shot this year, you might want to do some rethinking
If it’s too late and you’ve already got one or have been doing so regularly for years, you might want to take a deep breath.
The information you’re about to receive may cause outrage.
Most people who get a flu vaccine probably assume that it’s going to… you know… prevent them from getting the flu. I mean, why would you go through the trouble and incur the risk of a serious adverse reaction that attends taking any vaccine if you didn’t think it would be effective?
But, as I alerted our readers to a few months back, when people like Anthony Fauci hawk some treatment as effective, it doesn’t mean quite what you think.
A Washington Post article I cited made the shocking claims that the flu vaccine only “clocks in most years at 40% to 60% effective,” while the FDA will only “require a coronavirus vaccine to be 50% effective.”
As I later reported, it turns out the low 50% bar the FDA is setting for effectiveness is just one among many very troubling facts that nobody’s telling you about that COVID-19 vaccine the government will soon be insisting we all start lining up for the second it’s available.
But it turns out that, as lousy as the rate they cited for the flu vaccine was, the Washington Post had, nonetheless, greatly exaggerated its effectiveness.
If the CDC’s own figures are to be believed, over the prior 15 flu seasons, the flu vaccine only reached the low bar of being 40% effective nine times. It’s been as low as a jaw-dropping 10% – meaning 9 out of 10 people who got vaccinated that year got zero protection from the flu – but never gone above 60%.
The average effectiveness for the past 15 flu seasons turns out to be only 40%.
On the CDC’s own figures, the flu vaccine failed to do anything for 6 out of 10 people who went to the trouble of getting it in the last 15 years.
Q: What product with a 60% failure rate do US officials aggressively push?
A: The flu vaccine!
The CDC says average effectiveness for past 15 seasons is 40%. It's been as low as 10%.
If it were a toaster, they'd make sure we know.
But it's only a vaccine so who cares, right? pic.twitter.com/isfPEoMULc— Michael Thau (@MichaelThau) October 16, 2020
Moreover, as bad as these figures are, there’s some reason to think they might be intentionally inflated.
When determining a vaccine’s effectiveness, researchers compare the ratio of those who received a vaccination among a random group of infected people with their ratio among a random group of uninfected people. Those in the latter group are called the control subjects.
The studies for the 2004-05, 2005-06, and 2006-07 flu vaccines yielded two different effectiveness rates for each. One was obtained using what the authors call “traditional” control subjects, that is, healthy people from the general population. Whereas the second set of effectiveness rates were obtained using patients who were ill but not with influenza, whom the authors called “test-negative” control subjects.
In all subsequent flu seasons, it appears that traditional subjects were abandoned and only test-negative control subjects were used. And for those three seasons for which rates were obtained using both, the CDC chose the figures that came from test-negative subjects and ignored the ones derived using traditional subjects.
Using test-negative subjects, however, caused flu vaccines to get significantly higher effectiveness ratings. The 10% rating for the 2004-05 vaccine dropped all the way down to 5% when traditional subjects were used. That would mean only 1 out of 20 people who got vaccinated that year wound up with any immunity to the flu for the trouble, expense, and risk they incurred.
The 21% rating for the 2005-06 flu vaccine dropped down to 10% when the traditional method was used. The 52% rating for the 2006-07 vaccine dropped to 37%.
But the authors of the study for those three seasons explicitly say that “using test-negative control subjects is a new approach with little precedent” and that test-negative subjects, though similar in some respects, “likely differ from the source population in other ways that affect generalizability.”
Moreover, even the study done on the 2015-16 flu vaccine still notes that “the test-negative design is still comparatively new. This design may be subject to biases that are not fully understood.”
But if that was still true in 2016, why was the use of traditional control subjects discontinued in 2007 in favor of test-negative subjects?
It’s hard not to suspect that the higher vaccine effectiveness ratings that resulted might be the answer.
After all, even the numbers the CDC got using test-negative controls are awful. Even if they’re correct, on average over the last 15 years the flu vaccine failed to do anything for 6 out of 10 people who got it.
You’re lucky in any given year if it’s 50% effective and there’d be nothing at all unusual if 75% of Americans who decide to get vaccinated wind up with no immunity for their trouble.
The CDC aggressively pushes flu vaccines and virtually none of those foolish enough to trust them have a clue that there’s a better than even chance the vaccine they’re relying on to keep them healthy isn’t going to do squat.
So it’s hardly a stretch to suppose that traditional controls were abandoned in favor of a method that researchers admit may have unknown biases because it consistently yielded somewhat less dismal effectiveness ratings.
But dismal they are nonetheless.
Whatever it is that the CDC is up to, it doesn’t seem like it has anything at all to do with disease control.
Toaster makers arent immune from lawsuits
And there are multiple revolving doors between fda/nih and private medical companies
Just so everyone knows where you’re coming from, vaccine makers had legislation written to shield them from lawsuits which is why many of them could care less about standards and accuracy.
Immunity from lawsuits has a place in legislation but such legislation needs clarity and specificity in drafting. Most legislative aids are lawyers with some, not a lot of real related experience. Such aides usually default to what the pharma sales team is pitching.
Sad.
In 1986 this was written.
Worst thing that happened during Reagan.
“You will notice the subject of this thread is a garbage flu vaccine. Flu vaccines do not affect most flu strains and most flu viruses mutate. So it becomes a social conditioning ritual similar to wearing ineffective masks people wear today.
Note that the number of mandatory vaccines in youth has exploded from four in the 1960s to more than 60 in the 2000s.”
60? Can you source that?
“Then we have the fact that the vaccine will probably be almost ineffective.”
Fact? It isn’t even out yet!
I got the shot a week ago - had a serious allergic reaction Seconds after the injection . OK now, but it was scary wondering What was stuck in me.
Follow the money
What are the odds of a bad reaction?
I got a flu shot in 2018 2 weeks later I was sick, sick off and on for 5 months dr said no more flu shots for you. No covid shot either
Actually I’m told in some states it’s much more than 60.
I just looked up the 2020 number for WA State using search terms “required immunization wa state” and counted 27 shots by the time a child reaches 7 years old. Dozens more follow while a minor is in school and they are mandatory.
The industry has grown with zero challenges and there is Immunity from lawsuits so it’s a bad recipe all around for the longterm. It’s utopia for Pharma, locked in profits, mandatory by statute, little if no oversight, legal Immunity.
https://www.doh.wa.gov/Portals/1/Documents/Pubs/348-284-IndividualVaccineReqs2020-21.pdf
Whatever the number today for a particular state for school age children, it’s out of control and as you can see mentioned upthread the Vaccine Lobby arranged some ill-drafted legislative Immunity. See #23.
If the flu vaccine isn’t reliable, then why would anyone want vaccine for the Covid virus that is if anything even less tested than flu vaccine?
When I got my free flu shot (as a senior citizen) there was a paper that I got showing the retail value of the shot. As I recall, it was about $82.00. Is that not highway robbery?
“Actually I’m told in some states it’s much more than 60.”
Your chart for WA shows 25 from birth through grade 12.
Page 3
https://www.doh.wa.gov/Portals/1/Documents/Pubs/348-284-IndividualVaccineReqs2020-21.pdf
24 shots from birth to 7 years.
Dozens more required after 7 years. More than tenfold increase since 1950s when polio vaccine was introduced.
As with all things of success, the success itself becomes an open gate for new agents hoped to follow with like success. But when profit motives intersect public policy mandates, abuses and conflicts of interest follow. Good and just practices are joined by elements added with weaker arguments leaving a mixed bag of public health policy. Under the color of clean hands, checkered new members eventually drive cynicism among neighbors of the legacy elements that brought the first successes to begin with. The whole industry becomes suspect. That’s healthy for debate and reform especially with awareness of the following.
Where we are now is frightening for good reason. Contact tracing using vaccine micro dots. This is not a joke. It’s on record as a goal for population control. And it’s ready for launch now.
Barrett announced the expected SCOTUS ruling on tracing would rest on Jacobson v. Massachusetts (1905), Small Pox.
The profiteer and control elements of contact tracing, and they indeed exist, are powerful, and are dangerous. These elements are aiming to force tracing on the population. Trump took away their misplaced middlemen positions in other markets and warned they are extremely rich and very angry.
I don’t take the Flu shot because the times I have taken it, I have spent more time sick with other “chest colds” that never seem to happen if I don’t take the shot.
That said, if the “placebo” calms enough folks for us to open up and get on with our lives, then bring it on and let those who want it, have it...
I had the Hong Kong flu thought I was really going to die and I was VERY YOUNG early 20’s, got well in about 3 weeks and have NEVER had the flu or a flu shot after that!! It really is quite amazing I have managed and owned restaurants my entire life a regular flu cess pool for people and I have NEVER been sick! I have had a super immune system since fighting off that damn flu!!!
You are misreading the charts.
25 total required.
Again Page 3 for that one source.
24 by age 7.
You were given one source figuring you could dig on your own to find other predations made to increase vaccine budgets. Noted no thank you offered.
15 more administered yearly age 5 to 19 by default consent form submitted with known immunization records with promotion of no cost-state paid service. Vast majority sign to comply with updating required records. Providers pushed to begin at age 6 mos. and continue yearly.
Still more required for entry to public colleges and universities.
Bastyr U., others instrumental opposing state tendency to grow vaccine mandates, predations. Otherwise many more mandated, slipped in as consent with required records under pressure by pharma to introduce new/mod vaccines and regimens via legislature to Dept of Health. Opposition is not anti-vax but tainted as such raising red flags of deficient transparency, lack of integrity. Those in opposition advocate slow-down, inspect, discuss, debate.
Motives and intents clear. Bottom slide 31, Slides 32-36
https://www.doh.wa.gov/Portals/1/Documents/Mtgs/2020/20200723-VACPresentationSlides.pdf
Bottom: line: More than a ten-fold growth of vaccines occurred over decades since polio.
You have enough now to dig for the big picture if you desire.
“You were given one source figuring you could dig on your own to find other predations made to increase vaccine budgets. Noted no thank you offered.”
You made the claim of more than 60 required. You provided a source for 25 required.
I am not going to waste my time looking for sources that don’t exist.
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