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WWII Japanese Paratroops Folding Rifle
Am Shooting Journal ^ | 9/17/20 | C Cocole

Posted on 09/17/2020 8:05:51 AM PDT by w1n1

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1 posted on 09/17/2020 8:05:51 AM PDT by w1n1
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It has always surprised me that Japanese firearms were so bad, when in other areas (the Zero, their naval gunnery) they were so technically advanced. Of all the major powers in the war, they easily had the crappiest personal weapons.


2 posted on 09/17/2020 8:15:51 AM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("The rat always knows when he's in with weasels."--Tom Waits)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

I have an Arisaka. It isn’t too bad but looks like an obvious rip off of another design (KAR-98 maybe)


3 posted on 09/17/2020 8:18:11 AM PDT by AppyPappy (How many fingers am I holding up, Winston?)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

The pre and early war stuff was actually pretty darn good but the later ones really sucked. I have one and it really sucks.


4 posted on 09/17/2020 8:21:52 AM PDT by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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To: w1n1

Some British paratroopers jumped with folding bicycles.


5 posted on 09/17/2020 8:23:26 AM PDT by dainbramaged (Windage and Elevation)
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To: w1n1

Our M1 carbine was
A little flakey with
It’s Folder.


6 posted on 09/17/2020 8:24:19 AM PDT by Big Red Badger (TRUMP, the Other guy lives in a Basement!)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

It weird. The Japs made really goods things and really really bad things. Torpedoes were excellent and their tank sucked. But even their tanks were a conundrum. The tank intercom, optical sites, radios and fire control were top notch wrapped in a really crappy tank.


7 posted on 09/17/2020 8:29:12 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: AppyPappy

I saw a barrel of Arisakas with the chrysanthemum stamp in a gun store back in the ‘90s. They were all in good shape and going for less than $100. I passed by because I figured I’d never find ammunition for them.


8 posted on 09/17/2020 8:33:31 AM PDT by PUGACHEV
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To: w1n1

I always liked the German curved barrels....


9 posted on 09/17/2020 8:33:53 AM PDT by Jumper
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Some British paratroopers jumped with folding bicycles.

They also had a Royal Enfield motorcycle for the British paratroops called "The Flea".

10 posted on 09/17/2020 8:36:13 AM PDT by PUGACHEV
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Because the ammo is pretty uncommon, you can actually find it now. 9MM, not so much. Go figure.


11 posted on 09/17/2020 8:56:50 AM PDT by AppyPappy (How many fingers am I holding up, Winston?)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

[It has always surprised me that Japanese firearms were so bad, when in other areas (the Zero, their naval gunnery) they were so technically advanced. Of all the major powers in the war, they easily had the crappiest personal weapons.]


It shouldn’t surprise anyone. When Pearl Harbor rolled around, Japan nominal production per person was 1/7 the US number. Japan also had half the US population. It was involved in an expensive continental-scale war in China. Difficult choices had to be made. It was the moral equivalent of a poorer version of Mexico today fighting the US. Their principal advantages came down to grit, making the first move and relative proximity to the regions contested.


12 posted on 09/17/2020 9:34:12 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep
It has always surprised me that Japanese firearms were so bad
My cousin brought a bolt-action Jap rifle back from the Philippines. Crudely finished on the outside, but the rifling and all the working parts were very good.
13 posted on 09/17/2020 9:35:14 AM PDT by Hiddigeigei ("Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish," said Dionysus - Euripides)
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To: Zhang Fei

I don’t think you can compare japan, an industrial power to Mexico a 3rd world country.


14 posted on 09/17/2020 9:51:05 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: PUGACHEV

I own one that I refinished. The ammo is refered to as the 7mm Jap round Only available from Graff and sons. Costs $1.85 a round but man is that rifle accurate!
And fun to shoot. You should have bought one.


15 posted on 09/17/2020 9:55:37 AM PDT by Mad Dog009 (Don't go searching for a Mermaid Son... if you don't know how to swim)
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[I don’t think you can compare japan, an industrial power to Mexico a 3rd world country.]


Japan was essentially a Third World (i.e. developing) country at the time of Pearl Harbor. It was like a midget trying to play pro basketball. That is why Uncle Sam spent 2/3 of its war effort in Europe but lost 300K men there (vs 100K against the Japanese fighting mostly alone in the vast expanses of the Western Pacific) despite every major European Allied power fighting Germany at once.

Mexico hasn’t been led by generals seeking personal glory via territorial gain for over a century. But if that ever came to pass, it could arm up to much greater extent than prewar Japan. Of course, for that to happen, the government would have to exterminate the cartels. For now, there’s no danger of that. The thing with Spanish-speakers is you never know when they’re gonna go all Fidel Castro or Augusto Pinochet on you, with mass graves of the people who stood in the way to match. Between the Reconquista and the Spanish Civil War, peninsular Spain has shown itself quite capable of ruthless and decisive action in the course of civil conflict, so it’s not as if the Indio admixture of Latin America is the decisive factor here.


16 posted on 09/17/2020 10:27:24 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

I’ve read the Arisaka had the strongest action and it was almost impossible to blow one up.

Early war production was excellent. A friend of mine had one rechambered to 30-06.

At a large shooting range in Tulsa OK, a man came in while we were preparing for a competition. I noticed his rifle was an Arisaka with the top wood missing. From a prone position he began to knock over the steel targets hundreds of yards away with no problems.

Late war production were junk. A local business man had a late war production. Talk about a piece of junk.


17 posted on 09/17/2020 10:36:56 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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If it had the chrysanthemum stamp on it then it was a war trophy. After the war, thousands of Arisakas were sold as war surplus in the US with the chrysanthemum stamp ground off as it was the “property” of the Emperor.


18 posted on 09/17/2020 10:40:13 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Zhang Fei

Not bad for a nation that was still in the Feudal age in the 1850s. Within fifty years they were able to kick Russian butt all over the place, and ninety years had conquered Korea, half of China, and attacked the British, Dutch, French and later the US.


19 posted on 09/17/2020 10:45:15 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

***that Japanese firearms were so bad,***

The early war Arisaka still got more respect than the Italian Carcano.


20 posted on 09/17/2020 10:49:57 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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