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Is The Coronavirus Saving Lives? Overall deaths in the U.S. are actually lower over the last few months than they have been in recent years
Powerline ^ | 04/23/2020 | John Hinderaker

Posted on 04/23/2020 8:34:15 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

You may have seen references to the fact that, despite the fact that some people obviously have died from the Wuhan virus, overall deaths in the U.S. are actually lower over the last few months than they have been in recent years. I tried to track down the numbers on this, and (courtesy of a reader) found a spread sheet from the Centers for Disease Control. (Hit the “Download” button at the bottom of the page.)

As I understand the spread sheet, it is intended to show flu deaths, pneumonia deaths, and total deaths in the U.S. on a week by week basis from late 2015 to the present. I take it that the number in column E is the week for that calendar year; they run from 1 to 52, and presumably week 1 is the first week in January. I don’t see any other plausible way to read the CDC spread sheet.

So I added up the total deaths in the U.S. from week 1 in 2020 through week 14, the last week for which the CDC has published full numbers. (Week 15 is reported with incomplete numbers.) Week 14, as I read the calendar, would take us through either April 3 or April 10. The total number of deaths in the U.S. for weeks 1 through 14 this year–the year of the coronavirus–is 772,085.

Now do the same for the first 14 weeks of 2019. According to the CDC, as I read the spread sheet, there were 809,704 deaths in the U.S. over the same time period last year. That’s right: through the first 14 weeks of the year, through April 3 or April 10, however the CDC counts the weeks, there were 37,619 fewer deaths this year than last, despite our supposedly being in the grip of the greatest health crisis since the Spanish flu.

How can this be? Some have suggested that the fact that most of us are staying home has reduced the number of traffic fatalities, on-the-job accidents, and perhaps other causes of death. But there are only around 3,000 traffic fatalities per month, and the other causes that have been suggested are far smaller. Collectively, reductions in those causes of death would account for only a portion of the reduced fatality numbers, even if COVID-19 had not killed anyone at all.

Low fatality rates for 2020 are, at this point, a mystery. However, assuming I am reading the CDC spread sheet correctly, one thing is clear: there are nowhere near as many deaths actually caused by COVID-19 as government sources claim. If the Wuhan flu had really killed 40,000 or so people who would not otherwise have died over the last 14 weeks, it would be obvious in the overall mortality statistics. The fact that no such effect is visible–that, astonishingly, the death rate has actually declined–is consistent only with the assumption that not many people have died from COVID-19 who would not have died anyway, at about the same time.

This fits with the fact that the CDC has liberalized the criteria for scoring COVID-19 deaths, and the fact that such deaths are heavily concentrated among the elderly and severely compromised. If a person in a cancer ward dies after testing positive for coronavirus, or maybe after not being tested but just exhibiting respiratory symptoms, as I understand it, that person is recorded as a COVID-19 death.

There is no way the overall mortality statistics can make sense unless a great many alleged coronavirus deaths are actually people who would have died at the same time, regardless, from other causes. But that said, there is still a mystery here: why would there be 37,000+ fewer deaths this year than last year?

The Black Death killed around one-half of the population of Europe, beginning in 1347. It took 200 years for Europe’s population to rebound to the pre-Black Death level. If you relied on the “mainstream” press for information, or the self-important briefings by various governors, you would think that we are living through a modern-day Black Death. And yet, fewer people are dying in the U.S. than last year, or in previous years. (Check out the CDC’s spread sheet and do the math.) Something strange is going on here. COVID-19 obviously doesn’t prolong life, but why are fewer people dying this year than last year?

If you have an answer to that question, or you think I am misreading the CDC’s spread sheet, please respond in the comments.



TOPICS: Health/Medicine; History; Science; Society
KEYWORDS: coronavirus; deaths; mortality
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1 posted on 04/23/2020 8:34:15 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

That’s an average number. Do we have the range? That would be more relevant?


2 posted on 04/23/2020 8:35:26 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: SeekAndFind
Low fatality rates for 2020 are, at this point, a mystery.

I believe a very large number of deaths each year are caused by medical malpractice. Currently, most people are staying away from their doctors. Resulting in fewer deaths.

3 posted on 04/23/2020 8:39:14 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (If White Privilege is real, why did Elizabeth Warren lie about being an Indian?)
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Well, you require people to stay in their houses, of course death rates are going to drop....

Until they go crazy from ‘cabin fever’ and start killing each other... Or start starving to death because they can’t get food.


4 posted on 04/23/2020 8:43:48 PM PDT by LegendHasIt
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To: SeekAndFind

Death rates are low right now and the CV deaths are overstated...but there is a disclaimer I found that numbers less than 8 weeks old might get revised up slightly. So the impact on overall death rates of CV can’t officially be nailed down for a month or two.


5 posted on 04/23/2020 8:43:48 PM PDT by impimp
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To: ClearCase_guy

RE: I believe a very large number of deaths each year are caused by medical malpractice. Currently, most people are staying away from their doctors.

Are you saying that our doctors are mostly useless and kill more people than save lives?


6 posted on 04/23/2020 8:44:39 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (look at Michigan, it will)
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To: ClearCase_guy

People are avoiding hospitals so they are not having fatal complications of surgeries, drug reactions, blood clots, too.


7 posted on 04/23/2020 8:48:12 PM PDT by GnuThere
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To: ClearCase_guy
“I believe a very large number of deaths each year are caused by medical malpractice. Currently, most people are staying away from their doctors. Resulting in fewer deaths.”

Doesn't have to be malpractice. There are risks involved in all procedures, and if you decrease the number of those procedures you will have a decrease in short-term death. Plus, there are fewer people on the roads (less traffic deaths). People are also being more vigilant about symptoms, and the social isolation is probably also decreasing the incidence of other infectious diseases. There are likely several other contributors. Of course, malpractice does happen.

8 posted on 04/23/2020 8:50:48 PM PDT by neverevergiveup
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To: SeekAndFind

Medical errors is the third largest cause of death in a typical year. Estimates range from 250,000 to almost 500,000.


9 posted on 04/23/2020 8:55:13 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (If White Privilege is real, why did Elizabeth Warren lie about being an Indian?)
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To: ClearCase_guy

I dropped out of nursing school because I could never live with the thought that I hurt someone in the course of doing my job. Yet we have doctors killing thousands of people every year with foolish mistakes and nothing ever happens.


10 posted on 04/23/2020 8:57:58 PM PDT by LukeL
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To: SeekAndFind

Something is fishy here. The article cites the ability to compare the mortality rates of the first 14 weeks of 2019 with the first 14 weeks of 2020. The linked spreadsheet doesn’t provide that information. What gives?


11 posted on 04/23/2020 9:30:33 PM PDT by Antoninus (The press has lost the ability to persuade. They retain the ability to foment a panic.)
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To: SeekAndFind
How can this be? Some have suggested that the fact that most of us are staying home has reduced the number of traffic fatalities, on-the-job accidents, and perhaps other causes of death. --------

Shame he only explored a few options, and not really cumulatively.

That said, I pointed out as the lockdown began that this was a plausible result - for there to end up being a net lower number of deaths, as has happened to US soldiers in war since the end of WWII. This is mostly due to young men not living in towns where teenagers and young men drive and drink and do openly dumb stuff.

Another of the list should be medical care, which when surgeries and other high risk treatments take place result in a lot of deaths. Slowing their pace for a while would be expected to cause a slowing of deaths in the very short term - which is what we are talking about.

12 posted on 04/23/2020 10:02:00 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: impimp

Death rates are low right now and the CV deaths are overstated...


Probably, even with the recent revisions, still understated at least slightly.

NYC puts the lie in the light when you saw an average daily death rate of 150 rise to over 400 for this whole month, with a week of 700 or so. No way to overstate that in numbers that adjust the analysis.


13 posted on 04/23/2020 10:05:23 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: ClearCase_guy

I believe a very large number of deaths each year are caused by medical malpractice. Currently, most people are staying away from their doctors. Resulting in fewer deaths.


I think the first time I saw studies reporting over 100,000 per year was in the 1990s. Short term risk, vs longer term net benefit.


14 posted on 04/23/2020 10:06:54 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: SeekAndFind

Deaths from all causes, (latest data was from 4/17 is 582,565), and that is 92% expected.

There are some notable shifts as deaths from pneumonia is actually decreasing while Covid pneumonia deaths are increasing.

Some of that may be to hospitals merging the codes for deaths toward Covid as they get more funding for that. Doc told me that where they had a different code for death by pneumonia they were told to “blur” that into the Covid code-that is how NY “found” over 2,000 new deaths in one day.

Covid gets you $s, flu and pneumonia does not.


15 posted on 04/23/2020 10:11:34 PM PDT by TECTopcat (e)
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To: SeekAndFind

Yes. Everyone back to work, to restaurants, bars and malls.


16 posted on 04/23/2020 10:13:33 PM PDT by Cronos (Re-elect President Trump 2020!)
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To: GnuThere
People are avoiding hospitals so they are not having fatal complications of surgeries, drug reactions, blood clots, too.

Or they just die at home and get counted as COVID deaths.

17 posted on 04/23/2020 10:19:24 PM PDT by Shethink13 (there are 0 electoral votes in the state of denial)
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To: SeekAndFind

Might have to wait a while to calculate that. We’ll have to see how many people who would have seen doctors about cancers, heart problems, diabetes and other serious conditions but didn’t because hospitals and clinics are turning away anyone who isn’t on death’s doorstep right now die later due to lack of timely care and diagnosis.

When (if) hospitals and clinics get back to normal they will have quite a backlog of patients to see.


18 posted on 04/23/2020 10:28:07 PM PDT by TigersEye (MAGA - 16 more years! - KAG)
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To: SeekAndFind

The hospital ER I work in NJ has been seeing less and less of this in the last two weeks.


19 posted on 04/23/2020 10:29:40 PM PDT by jmacusa (If we're all equal how is diversity our strength?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Historians will look at this like the witch trials of Europe


20 posted on 04/23/2020 11:01:15 PM PDT by genghis
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