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The Evidence Is Coming In: Virus Experts May Have Been Badly Wrong
The Revolutionary Act ^ | 04/16/2020

Posted on 04/16/2020 5:39:12 AM PDT by Liberty7732

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To: Liberty7732

Although this virus is real, no one can ever convince me that it has been manipulated by the media and leftist politicians to damage POTUS. To the point of being a hoax.

And it will be milked until November 3, 2020


21 posted on 04/16/2020 6:10:30 AM PDT by CodeJockey (Dum Spiro, Pugno)
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To: Liberty7732

The whole notion of “expert” should really be re-examined.

In my experience, most “experts” are full of hot air and cannot be relied upon to give good advice. Of course, there are exceptions. But the good experts, I think, tend to be more like technicians. They are people with a very narrow focus who can solve very specific sorts of problems.

The whole idea of a “novel virus” is that no one really knows what they’re dealing with. That’s the “novel” part. You can trot out an “expert” on TV and they can give you a lot of advice — but they don’t know what they’re talking about because this is a new thing and they don’t actually have experience with it.

Granted, in the case of a “novel virus” I would rather talk to an epidemiologist who hadn’t seen it before than a plumber who hadn’t seen it before. But I do not worship the “expert” overmuch. He’s probably still full of hot air. Like a general who is fighting the last war. Or as Mike Tyson said, “Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face”. Humans muddle through the best they can and it is not always wise to bow down and do whatever the “experts” say.


22 posted on 04/16/2020 6:12:24 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (If White Privilege is real, why did Elizabeth Warren lie about being an Indian?)
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To: BobL

you can’t rely on any numbers because each state seems to count in a different way....take NYC for example....they’re counting without even a test....


23 posted on 04/16/2020 6:18:52 AM PDT by cherry
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To: Texas resident

In my. with or old it’s the young self righteous wearing masks and trying to shame those that are not


24 posted on 04/16/2020 6:21:06 AM PDT by Mom MD
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To: Mom MD

should be in my neighborhood


25 posted on 04/16/2020 6:21:35 AM PDT by Mom MD
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To: Mom MD

Tell me about it Mom MD. We’re in a suburb of Atlanta and the NextDoor hysteria by sorry, but it seems like mostly women, has been off the charts. Pleading with folks to help them find a restaurant that will bring their food to the car so they don’t have to get out of their vehicle. It’s depressing. I had thought the anti-Trump suburban women theory to be bunk but after this, I’m afraid it’s real.


26 posted on 04/16/2020 6:22:20 AM PDT by H.Bowman
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

except they will never admit they were wrong. the mantra will see the social distancing worked! we were right all along.


27 posted on 04/16/2020 6:23:24 AM PDT by Mom MD
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To: Liberty7732

“In reality, we will know by probably mid fall if the expert class made a colossal mistake. And if so, a lot of heads should roll, because mistakes of this magnitude cannot be tolerated.”

Being able to tell, after the fact, that the “experts” were wrong is not particularly helpful.


28 posted on 04/16/2020 6:25:39 AM PDT by FewsOrange
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To: H.Bowman

On my next door app the beta males are just as pathetic posting in all
caps for people to wear useless masks. A pox on all of them. I just want to go up to them in the store without a mask on and say “boo”


29 posted on 04/16/2020 6:26:42 AM PDT by Mom MD
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To: Liberty7732
In analyzing the data from countries who took dramatically different measures in response to COVID-19,

Who performed this analysis? Where are the details?

If the quoted statement appeared in the NY Slimes and the sentence ended with "it appears that lockdowns save millions of lives" we'd be demanding answers to the questions I asked.

30 posted on 04/16/2020 6:30:38 AM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: Flick Lives

“It will be interesting to see how the leftist media pivots from first blaming Pres. Tru...”

No it won’t be because they perpetrated this fraud in full knowledge of how flawed and over hyped the data was.

The data was taken from the same London epidemiologist, Neil Ferguson, who, in 2009 said the H1N1 swine flu would kill 2 million people and advocated closing schools and social distancing. The media and (D) President ignored him in 2009. Neil Ferguson always overstates viral impacts by at least a factor of 20. Yet this time the media and Deep State went with him and promoted his projections? Why?


31 posted on 04/16/2020 6:33:41 AM PDT by Justa (If where you came from is so great then why aren't Floridians moving there?)
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To: Liberty7732

But we don’t learn. Fauci said the HIV was going to jump and wipe out the heterosexual population. He was DEAD wrong. And “he” is who we are relying on?


32 posted on 04/16/2020 6:34:07 AM PDT by ThePatriotsFlag (Congress is not made up of leaders however they are representatives of their voters.)
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To: Wuli
"Poor Mr Thompson and poor Liberty7732; trying to bring logic and reason to a forum filled with folks who are already drunk on the panic Koolaid, convinced they are wonderful saviors by participating in hibernating everyone from everyone at the government’s command. Meanwhile bad ole “socialist” Sweden ignores that Koolaid."
If I hear the name Jay Bhattacharya one more time I will vomit. Normal seasonal flu kills 30,000 per year in the US. We have had 15,000 deaths in one week. What the f*** is wrong with you? Logic and Reason? No, stupidity and asinine remarks. The article states "Denmark, Scotland and Germany have done thorough antibody testing in specific locals and found infection rates between 12 and 27 times higher than they thought and models had projected. And a majority of the people were either asymptomatic or had very mild symptoms. This means that the death rate might be wildly lower than is currently suggested, as low as 0.2 percent — which would be very near to the normal flu."
Normal flu has a death rate of around .1%.
But more than .1% of New York City has already died of Covid19 - 10,000 out of 9 million! Even assuming EVERYONE in NYC has the disease, it obviously has a higher death rate than the flu. There is not a shred of evidence that all 9 million residents of NYC have the disease. That is the stupidest, most retarded BS ever.
33 posted on 04/16/2020 6:34:09 AM PDT by brookwood (Obama said you could keep your plan - Sanders says higher taxes will improve the weather)
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To: Liberty7732

Boston’s Pine Street Inn - essentially a homeless shelter for street bums - test 146 residents and all 146 residents tested positive. All were asymptomatic. This implies that at the 95% confidence level, survival rates are close to 98%. The chances of tossing 146 heads in 146 tries with coin that comes up heads 98% of the time is only 5.2%.


34 posted on 04/16/2020 6:35:22 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit)
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To: Liberty7732
Not all the experts were wrong. The bureaucrats were wrong. I listened to an interview of a professor at the Johns Hopkins School of Public health explain why keeping those people on the cruise ship was the wrong action. His conclusion was that any quarantine would be a failure (by that point the virus had been in the wild too long). The only course of action was to treat cases as they came up in the general public. This was back in February.
35 posted on 04/16/2020 6:35:25 AM PDT by Varda
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To: cherry
You identify the real problem. . . the “numbers” being used to hype and spread this panic do not allow one to compare apples to apples.

NYC and Northern Italy have, apparently, very high death rates from COVID but how do they define what caused the death. Germany (where I live) have a fairly low death rate attributed to COVID.

We read of hospitals and ICU’s overwhelmed yet we also hear of hospitals empty.

To me, none of this panic makes sense, other than early on when it was apparent that it appeared to spread easily why did we not shelter our old and sick and let the young and healthy get on with life and care for them as we have done for bad seasonal flu's?

36 posted on 04/16/2020 6:36:09 AM PDT by lowbuck (The Blue Card (US Passport) Don't leave home without it.)
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To: Morpheus2009

“The CDC counted over 70,000 flu deaths in 2018-2019, and around 80,000 in 2017-2018.”

I try not to insult people but you are a damned liar.
Estimate 2018-19 34,000 from the CDC.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2018-2019.html


37 posted on 04/16/2020 6:37:15 AM PDT by brookwood (Obama said you could keep your plan - Sanders says higher taxes will improve the weather)
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To: Mom MD
I just want to go up to them in the store without a mask on and say “boo”

GMTA! I said the exact same thing to my wife last week! I am especially tempted to do it to the people who literally jump to the far side of the aisle as I approach. Useless, hand-wringing sheep, the lot of them.

38 posted on 04/16/2020 6:39:10 AM PDT by Sicon ("All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." - G. Orwell)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
Boston’s Pine Street Inn - essentially a homeless shelter for street bums - test 146 residents and all 146 residents tested positive. All were asymptomatic. This implies that at the 95% confidence level, survival rates are close to 98%. The chances of tossing 146 heads in 146 tries with coin that comes up heads 98% of the time is only 5.2%.

Not a random sample, so cannot reliably be extrapolated to the larger population.

39 posted on 04/16/2020 6:40:46 AM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: CodeJockey

Right. After three years the impeachment campaign fizzled. The virus was a golden opportunity. No stellar economy to tout any more.


40 posted on 04/16/2020 6:42:41 AM PDT by all the best (You)
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