Posted on 03/18/2020 5:32:26 AM PDT by Enlightened1
The rate of the number of individuals who died from the flu to the number of individuals who were estimated to have had the flu is .1% (22,552 / 36 million). This is an estimate and the amount used above by the Director General of the WHO.
However, the rate of individuals who died from the flu to the number of individuals who were confirmed to have had the flu is around 10% (22,000/ 222,552). This is based on actual data similar to the rate for the coronavirus above.
Based on the above numbers, the actual fatality rate for those who were confirmed to have had the coronavirus is 3.4%.
The actual mortality rates for those who were confirmed to have had the flu are around 10%.
The actual data shows that the mortality rate for those who had the flu (10%) is almost twice as high than for those with the coronavirus (3.8%).
(Excerpt) Read more at thegatewaypundit.com ...
I see a threat in the coronavirus, just as I do with the flu, cancer, AIDS, earthquakes and the super volcano in Yellowstone. I don’t recall society shutting down over any of those before.
He is NOT even an M.D.
R0 is (much) higher for CV19 than the Spanish Flu. So, it will likely infect substantially more people.
Plus, we did not have global air travel, mass transit, packed events, etc in 1918. If we had, Spanish Flu would probably have infected a much larger % of the global population than it did.
we may get a number but it will be a while until we know exactly who dies and why. Treated or untreated. treated with which combination. We will be data mining for years
In the sense that the “economy” is a bunch of usurers pushing debt onto people to buy product while they retreat to bunkers in New Zealand and count their winnings, then, yes, it’s not only going to be wrecked, it’s going to burn to the ground.
And he is probably correct. We are all going to be exposed, eventually.
HOWEVER, "infected" does NOT necessarily mean "become seriously ill from". I have a feeling that most of us have ALREADY been exposed, and had a mild-to-non-existent reaction.
This is a deliberate misrepresentation of the statistics. Most people who get the flu are sent home or self-treat. Because it isn’t as lethal and we know how to treat it and you aren’t protecting people from contagion in any significant way by isolating flu victims.
Comparing flu hospitalizations to confirmed CV cases is a false comparison. It is a dangerous lie.
We didn’t have packed events in 1918? Really? No global travel? How about over a million US troops deployed to Europe? The virus managed to spread around the world without long distance air travel.
They didn’t have penicillin, intensive care units, anti-viral drugs and a host of other medical technologies back then either. They did have more poverty, more malnutrition, more smokers, and just about every conceivable metric to promote the spread of disease and yet only about one quarter of humanity ever got infected.
This thing has the potential to turn into a slow motion disaster in so many ways.
This is worse than any movie I’ve ever seen. This is somehow worse than the last season of Game of Thrones, and that was very bad.
In order to come out of this in the good, we need a Ace to thread the needle.
The problem is I know two 40+ year old adults who have no idea at all what is even going on. I mean not a clue. Here in Florida we have a bunch of teens frolicking on the beach. I bet most of them don’t even know.
That's happening now in Italy, Iran and now New York.
Wow, I hadn’t heard that one, and just now noticed he’s been thankfully quiet on my radio for quite some time.
Is he on at some other time these days, or did he leave for Siri or whatever?
Good link!
That said the CDC’s cred is under suspicion.
The flu is endemic. Everyone is exposed to it multiple times per season. We have vaccines and some herd immunity. It kills on average 0.1% of the people that get it.
CV is NOT endemic. Nobody has had this before this year and it does not (yet) lurk in countless hosts from year to year. It kills more than 1% of people that get it under the best containment conditions we have managed so far (SK) and 1 in 14 people that get it if your first-world HCS is overwhelmed (Italy).
People that deny these EASILY checked facts, or play math games to diminish the threat are a danger to society.
That is a deliberate misrepresentation of the statistics. You cannot conflate hospitalizations with confirmed cases.
I wouldn’t listen to him at all but we only have Rush here followed by Savage and that amateur, Ben Shapiro. Savage is only on for an hour in these parts. Among his belching, his sniffing and his attacks on Rush and his peculiar ideas on health, he’s ok.
“The reason only 222k people were tested for the flu in the US is because the symptoms are almost always so mild that there is no reason to see a doctor or be tested.”
Even that is a misperception. 222k were hospitalized. Millions visited their doctors and most were simply told how to self-treat. Millions more simply self-treated without a doctor visit.
The CDC provides 4 numbers, corresponding to the 4 categories: dead, hospitalized, doctor visit, self-treat.
All 4 are based on estimates because they don’t do a census, they do a poll and use data on how much flu medicine and Kleenex were sold, etc. That is why they provide such large ranges for all 4 categories.
People WITH AN AGENDA, such as the OP and the article’s author deliberately leave out some of these stats and use the low end numbers to mislead or because of pathological levels of confirmation bias.
“And note that even the lowest mortality numbers skyrocket with advanced age. Looks like an Ezekiel Emanuel design.”
If you overlay that curve, scaled to the total population, you will see that with unchecked spread there simply won’t be any old people left.
Ezekiel Emanuel design, indeed.
Well, I guess that would be good news for those worried about the solvency of the social safety nets. It’s one of those solutions, though, that once implemented, is even harder to get rid of.
Comparing flu hospitalizations to confirmed corona virus cases is an invalid comparison. Confirmed CV cases include doctor visits and asymptomatic positives due to aggressive contact tracing - people that would never show up in the flu stats at all, not even in the self-treat category.
At best you can compare confirmed CV to doctor visits but symptomatic self-treat is closer. In reality even that still understates the relative lethality of CV.
“The precedent for an 80% infection rate is the 80% of the population in any country whose brains have been melted by exposure to state run media.”
80% is low for penetrance of a population without any herd immunity.
“I see a threat in the coronavirus, just as I do with the flu, cancer, AIDS, earthquakes and the super volcano in Yellowstone. I don’t recall society shutting down over any of those before.”
Maybe this threat is more significant, or in some way avoidable due to the measures being taken.
The honest math so far, not the fake stuff in the article, says it is.
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