Posted on 08/21/2019 2:22:45 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
President Donald Trump signed a memorandum on Wednesday to cancel the student loan debt of disabled veterans.
“Today I’m proud to announce that I am taking executive action to ensure that our wounded warriors are not saddled with mountains of student debt,” Trump said in a speech at the AMVETS National Convention in Kentucky.
More than 25,000 disabled veterans will have their student debt forgiven, the president said.
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“What part of 100% disabled is not understood?”
The VA understands what 100% is. They also look light to the numbers they assign. I was given full benefits by the social security system, and retired disabled by both DOD and NAF over a year prior to when I was finally awarded the 100% for VA extension from the 90%, workable they gave me that I had been arguing about for 4 years. And if I hadn’t called someone I might still be workable and not able to be retired by the VA even though everyone else that actually makes decisions on workable/unworkable had retired me disabled 100%.
It’s good to talk about 100% from the VA. But it’s harder than he(( to get it. Now, after they actually took a good look at my situation, I am 200%, 100 x 2, disabled, and home bound. That displays their ineptness at doing it correct or within a reasonable time frame.
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Blacks.....NOT a choice
Asians.....Not a choice
Liberals
Midgets....Not a choice
Police Officers
LGBT
Prisoners
What we are talking about are people who joined the military with a bunch of student loan debt and now are claiming to be disabled. But as has been noted by others here you have to jump through some hoops and apparently only those who retired with 100% disability are going to get it... at least to begin with until the sharp attorneys start loosening the strings.
I am very familiar with the educational benefits provided by the military. We have several family members taking advantage of them right now. Our niece who spent a year in Qatar doing administrative work on the big airbase there is currently going to school and getting paid because she claims she has PTSD from her military service. Her mother who also did administrative work stateside retired on a 100% disability as an E-8 Senior Master Sergeant is getting both her normal retirement plus an amount from the military for being 100% disabled along with a disability benefit from Social Security which she paid into very briefly before joining the military. I don't even know what is suppose to be wrong with her other than she is in her 50s, drinks and smokes too much, is obese and takes a lot of medications.
I ran a family lumber mill business before I became a firefighter. One time I hired this guy for some part time work who was in his mid 20s to help a lumber grader who was in his 80s sort through a bunch of 8ft. 2x4s and put a stud stamp on them.
I didn't expect them to be fireballs at it. They were keeping up a pace that was way less than half what the output of one of our machines if we were ripping them in half or surfacing rough lumber and grading them. Since it was more of a re-stacking exercise and our old lumber grader wasn't much of a conversationalist it was probably not a lot of fun for the guy. So after a couple of days the guy didn't show up for work and I couldn't get in touch with him. I didn't think too much about it because this is what you deal with when you hire transient labor. Our 80 year old lumber grader said the kid was just slowing him down anyway.
So a month later I got a call from a State Industrial Insurance inspector who wanted to come into our place and investigate “the mishap” that caused the 25 year old to become 100% disabled. We were all incredulous, but at least back then they investigated this type of nonsense. I was told this still might raise our industrial insurance rates which were already a sizable percentage of what we paid our workers. So the inspector came in and tried to verify what had happened and the kid had some type of back doctor and attorney on board, but of course it was all nonsense. So after his claim ran into trouble he came by with some sob story and then I got a threatening letter and call from his attorney. But they all gave up shortly afterward, but if I had played along that lazy kid would probably still be collecting money for nothing to this day.
And as I alluded to previously firefighters are famous for this kind of nonsense. My next door neighbor's son worked a long time getting his back disability from the Air Force, after a couple years he finally got the big payoff. But he now wants to become a fire fighter and he doesn't understand why even the volunteer departments won't touch him. I tried to explain to him that if you are claiming to have a back disability which was the PTSD disability of previous generations, no fire department in the world is going to take you, and your disability benefit is probably going to go away also.
I'm an Army vet from 1985. The company where I work hired an Army vet from 2010ish who faked a back injury and received a ton of money for life from the Army. I think he got 85% of his pay. He was a terrible employee who lied about the work he did and we had to fire him. No I'm not in favor of giving him more things for free.
PS: I got very very little for free after I got out.
I got a very large 2nd degree burn around my leg from boiling water that got captured in my bloused pants above my boots. That leg has affected me ever since, including the time I was ambulanced out of work for an artery that gave up the ghost and was spurting out my leg.
Since this injury occurred in the 80s, how the heck do I claim anything now? My leg is a mess.
My wife and I both come from military families. In previous generations people got and expected very little after they got out. Many faced extreme hardship related to their honorable service. It is only in the past 30 or so years that scamsters really figured out how to fleece the military system. Unfortunately some of our own family members now fall into this category.
For 15 years we have set up displays honoring military personnel at museums, special events on and off base, VFWs, schools, parades, fairs, and numerous other venues. Few people have more respect for military personnel than we do, but a colonel friend of ours who was the head of the Old Soldiers Home in Retsil, WA told us about all the scammers he had to deal with. The place was filled with many people who were drafted and spent 2 years in the military, some who never even went oversees let along went into combat and managed to parlay that into a free ride for the rest of their lives. At the same time there were many soldiers who made true sacrifices got nothing because the scammers already had sucked up everything. This causes much of the problems with the VA as well.
I don't know what your current situation is. But if you are still having difficulty that you cannot get resolved with proper treatment you should probably find a good attorney that specializes in this kind of thing. It might take awhile but you will probably get something.
A lot of us have old injuries usually associated with our own stupidity that causes us difficulty years later. Some of the people in Retsil were there because they caught VD in off limits brothels and have been getting taken care of by the government ever since. And they are the ones who complained the most loudly.
Are you talking about Vets getting denied benefits?
How do we protect against Vets falsely claiming benefits?
This EO has created a monster like we’ve never seen before.
If they are truly disabled, I don’t think anyone has a problem with it. But there are already programs in place. And, the Post 9/11 GI Bill provides more money than most of them can spend, anyway, not just on tuition, it also pays BAH.
But, what do we do about all the disability fraud? What do we do about the guy that did 4-6yrs, gets out and claims he’s got a bad back and bad knees, but he’s doing Crossfit competitions every weekend.
Or as a psychologist I met at a shooting school, also a Vet and volunteers at a VA hospital, told me about the guys that are doing worse on cognitive skills test than someone with full blown Alzheimer’s and collecting over $3k a month, and then drive away from their session in their brand new F150 FX4.
I just got done reading some Facebook posts between two guys. One of them I work with and he’s built like a brick shithouse. Nothing wrong with him and the whole back and forth was about how to get rated to collect on this program.
Ok. Well, up until a couple of months ago, I worked with a guy that was recently awarded 100% disability for PTSD. I worked with him, while doing security overseas in a high threat environment. In one of the countries that was part of the basis for his claim.
So, how does a guy claim and get 100% disability for PTSD work in the very same environment that he says caused his PTSD?
How does this guy provide the name of a VA “consultant”, that helped guide him through the process, to other vets so they can get their rating up, even though there’s absolutely nothing wrong with them?
How does this guy, who had all of his education paid for by the Post 9/11 GI Bill, laugh and smile at the fact that he’s at 100% and will collect over $3k a month, for the rest of his life, and there’s absolutely nothing wrong with him?
When you have VA Pimps, coaching veterans on what to say and how to play the system, it’s a bad thing and will only get worse.
Are you a Veteran?
I too have first hand knowledge of some who played the system. But It isn’t right to punish the good ones because of the actions of the bad cases.
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Very true but that goes for everything. My issue is, anyone that served during the GWOT has the Post 9/11 GI Bill, gives veterans tons of money and benefits, that are well deserved.
It seems now that another ‘protected class’ of folks has been identified and it won’t be long before others run to Social Security, claim some similar type of disability and sue to get into this type of program.
Most people will look at a veteran that is missing a limb or confined to a wheelchair and say, “That guy is 100% disabled”. And not, I, nor a single other person would disagree.
But the way things are set up right now, there are far more folks that are playing the system than ones that are deserving of every benefit they’ve earned. I’ve listened to the conversations and how they coach each other what to say to the VA Pimps. A lot of times it’s the VA Pimps that are coaching them because it’s “free money”. I used to work with a guy that was proud of the fact that he was finally able to get 100% and there was not a single thing wrong with him.
Let me say this one thing....The President decides he’s changed his mind and will start working with some of the more radical folks in Congress about gun control. So, the decision is made that folks collecting for PTSD can no longer own weapons, possess weapons or have any in their homes. This will include confiscation. Follow that up by saying that since there are veterans that claim PTSD, score worse than Alzheimer’s patients on tests, it has been decided that they are a danger to the public and shouldn’t be allowed to drive anymore.
How many will suddenly be healed?
I remember the GWOT mission and with the bad economy, word spread fast to get on disability before getting released. Lots of PTSD. And sure, many were genuinely troubled.
While that is horrible on many levels. There is not an easy way to weed certain ones out without doing more damage to those trying to get help that needs it. Maybe some wise folks will find a way.
I’m just Joe Schmo. I’ve said some things about this that some may find harsh, can’t do anything about that. But, as I’ve stated, I’ve listened to and taken part in some of these conversations with co-workers and former co-workers. One of my nephews refuses to claim it even after the VA Pimp, pretty much brow beat him with it. When he talked to me about it, all I said is....If you truly have it, then you deserve it. If you’re doing it for the free money, then don’t talk to me anymore.
The system is ripe for abuse, as is all of the systems our government has set up. And some of those systems are utter failures but still seem to be clinging to some type of life support.
All that being said, until this country can, once and for all eternity, solve the immigration-refugee-birthright citizenship-asylum-H1B/H2B visa-student visa-visa overstayer mess, and get rid of all of these people that are here, or trying to get here for no other reason then to get a check, then these Vets can get what they get. That may sound completely contradictory to some of my other comments or my thoughts on the matter, but there are two things about the Vets that none of the aforementioned grifters and scam artists have....they’re not US citizens and they didn’t volunteer to serve in our military.
Our great President is trying hard to remedy the massive illegal immigration crisis. He has been working tirelessly to remedy many crises while fighting rats inside and out. I am very proud of him.
When anyone starts to complain on any comment or policy being talked about President Trump, I wish they would remember the alternative and Thank God daily for our President.
Often I believe the complainers are demonrat operatives.
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