President Vladimir Putin's Election Gambit

Janitor's view ^ | 05/14/19 | Reasonmclucus

[kathsua]

There is no evidence that Russian President Vladimir Putin is a master at the board game called "chess", but he is a grand master at a real life version of the game.

In 2016. he began an operation to discredit the American system of elections. He took advantage of the basic stupidity of many American politicians and journalists to create the delusion that he had colluded with Donald Trump to affect the presidential election.

Putin was a Lieutenant Colonel in the KGB, the highly effective Soviet Secret Police. If the Russians had been trying to elect Trump, any Russian contact with the Trump campaign would have been done in secret to avoid detection. Putin is intelligent enough to know that some Americans would vote against a candidate favored by Russia.

Putin had Russians meet with Trump campaigners to set Trump up for a collusion charge in the event Trump won. I became suspicious of the real purpose of one meeting because a tv news story sounded like someone might have coordinated the meeting with the Department of Justice. The discovery of the meeting seemed too easy. I'm not a fan of Putin, but I respect his intelligence. He would not have used people so unprofessional that they would be caught while engaged in what should have been a secret operation.

Putting people in apparently compromising situations is an old KGB tactic that the KGB used to blackmail people into cooperating with the KGB such as by providing access to information. The Russian contact with Trump campaigners is a variation on this tactic with the goal simply being to frame people in Trump's campaign.

I doubt that Putin wanted either Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump to be President of the United States. In 2016 Putin likely thought the best outcome would be a discredited American election especially if the winner would be forced out of office. . Putin had been criticized for his conduction of presidential elections. Creating a scandal about an Amercan presidential election might prevent unfavorable comparison of Russian elections to American elections particularly if Putin could claim the "American Secret Police" rejected the candidate voters wanted.

Putin is certainly aware of how much the Soviet Union had benefited from the Watergate controversy. The fall of Richard Nixon was followed by the fall of U.S. backed governments in Vietnam and Iran. The Soviet Union was able to take advantage of the weakened American presidency to invade Afghanistan.

If Putin has any derogatory information about Hillary Clinton, he will probably keep it secret unless she is elected president.

This farce has gone on long enough. Congress and President Trump need to concentrate on the real problems our nation faces.

[ETL]

The Russians have long been known to interfere in other country’s elections where the outcome would have a major effect on them.

[ETL]

Obama White House counsel Gregory Craig

“Kostiantyn Kulyk, deputy head of Ukraine’s prosecutor general’s international affairs office, said that investigators had evidence that a number of Western figures, such as Obama White House counsel Gregory Craig, also received money from the Party of Regions, the party of ousted Ukranian President Viktor Yanukovych, an ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin.

Craig was recently indicted for allegedly lying about his dealings with Ukraine.”

https://www.theepochtimes.com/trump-says-clinton-and-obama-administration-links-with-ukraine-should-be-investigated_2896213.html

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"Prosecutors who brought charges against Craig, the former Obama White House counsel, focused on a Ukrainian businessman who was also a major donor to Clinton’s organization, the Clinton Foundation, The Epoch Times reported earlier in April."

https://www.theepochtimes.com/trump-says-clinton-and-obama-administration-links-with-ukraine-should-be-investigated_2896213.html

[DesertRhino]

And you are a foreigner from Europe, probably with some family grudge against the USSR (likely justified ) and cannot accept the idea that the USSR ended 20 years ago.
Whatever the personal reasons for your single minded hate for Russia are, you are a foreigner trying to make America think Russia is the USSR because it helps you nurse your grudge.

You are a supporter of everything Hillary says.
And speaking of being a farce, you never served a day in US uniform, not against the USSR, not against the moslems, nothing.

So shove it up your Euro, old-country, grudge carring wazzoo.

[central_va]

Stop watching Rachel MadCow.

[DesertRhino]

“Not both sides. All the evidence points to Russia wanting Hillary, and only Hillary, to win. “

Ohhhh, that must be why they hacked her servers, stole her emails, and released them to wikileaks. /s

[central_va]

In 2016. he began an operation to discredit the American system of elections. He took advantage of the basic stupidity of many American politicians and journalists to create the delusion that he had colluded with Donald Trump to affect the presidential election.

The janitor has been huffing glue again.

[ETL]

And you are a foreigner from Europe

Lol!

Friggin idiot, you are.

I almost feel sorry for you, being so dumb and misguided.

There's no point trying to convince you or so-called "Navy Patriot" of the reality. It's clear where your loyalties lie. Been clear for a long time.

[DesertRhino]

So you aren’t from Europe? And you did wear America’s uniform against the USSR? Do tell..

[ETL]

Boy, are there some confused people out there.

How in hell could you possibly come to the stupid f-ing conclusion that the stuff I’m saying is coming from the left?? I’m saying the Leftist DEMS colluded with Russia to help Hillary win!

[ETL]

You’re too friggin dumb to even try to have a conversation with. If you don’t understand the material I provided above, ask someone who knows how to read and comprehend what they read to explain it to you. Hopefully you have such a person in your circle.

[ETL]

“In 2016. he [KGB/FSB Putin] began an operation to discredit the American system of elections. He took advantage of the basic stupidity of many American politicians and journalists to create the delusion that he had colluded with Donald Trump to affect the presidential election.”

Yes, that seems to be EXACTLY what happened. Except he left out Putin’s reliance on the profound stupidity of a large chunk of the American population. A population which has been dumbed down and lied to for decades.

[DesertRhino]

You sound like some deranged man who is convinced Gestapo is still lurking around every corner if they visit Germany.
We all miss the cold war, at least those if us who served might. The effort, the machines, Strategic Air command, the Fulda Gap... A huge existential menace was stood up to.

A lot of people made it their life, and found a huge hole in their life when their enemy simply imploded and decided apartments with western appliances, good food, world travel and nice clothes might be fun.

But the cold war is over (or it was). You gotta let it go. And that old world mentality of hate because of decades or centuries old grudges has no place in America.

You are at your best when you post science articles and such. This just makes you seem petty.

[DesertRhino]

Your denial of service spam attacks are too nutty to spend much time in. It isn’t “providing information”, unless of course I needed to know there is still someone out there consumed with a deep hate of the USSR who as left empty when it went away.

Just for example, the Russian army is roughly 10% of the size of the USSR’s army across from us on the Berlin wall.

They aren’t rebuilding an empire, or on the roll. They are barely scraping by, and trying to keep globalist vultures away from controlling them and NATO from moving yet closer. That’s about it.

[DesertRhino]

“How in hell could you possibly come to the stupid f-ing conclusion that the stuff I’m saying is coming from the left??”

Because you advance every theory Hillary and Obama has against Russia?

[ETL]

Let me put it another way. Suppose the Mafia in New York City wanted a particular candidate running for mayor to win because they knew that person would be soft on them, and even help them out in many ways, while that person’s opponent was just the opposite. Someone who would be sure to crack down on the Mob, put them out of business, if elected. They could then PLANT (fake) “evidence” that that opponent had worked with them in the past and would continue doing so in the future if elected in an elaborate effort to smear him.

[ETL]

Please learn to read.

And also stop believing Putin is a good guy.

[Sgt_Schultze]

Agree there.

As Chinese power increases, twenty years from now, Russia and the US will have to become close allies. It will also help in resisting muslim proliferation.

[Carolyn_Denton2355]

I’ve read that Ukrainian Prosecutor General Yuriy Lutsenko denied his own words saying they were misinterpreted. Unfortunately, I can’t find the link to the article

[ETL]

Agree there. As Chinese power increases, twenty years from now, Russia and the US will have to become close allies.

Bullsht. Russia and China have never been closer, both economically and, more importantly, militarily. In fact, they've been conducting joint war games since 2005, in an exercise they refer to as "Peace Mission", (deceptively) claiming that the massive military cooperation is "mostly about" combating terrorism. Of course only a fool would believe that these exercises are not primarily if not totally aimed at us (the United States) and our NATO and other allies. Another more recent set of joint war games between Russia and China are called the “Vostok” war games.

[ETL]

From the Sino-Russian Joint Statement of April 23, 1997:
"The two sides [China and Russia] shall, in the spirit of partnership, strive to promote the multipolarization of the world and the establishment of a new international order."

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/HI29Ag01.html
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"Joint war games are a logical outcome of the Sino-Russian Friendship and Cooperation Treaty signed in 2001, and reflect the shared worldview and growing economic ties between the two Eastern Hemisphere giants."

http://www.heritage.org/research/commentary/2005/09/war-games-russia-china-grow-alliance