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Hear that, OP? How about it???
“Likely!?”
I might agree with the concept...It's formulating a law that says "we Know no crime has been committed...but we're going to take away your gun....just in case you do something bad.
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The original
https://www.davidicke.com/article/504728/california-shooter-likely-prescribed-drugs-va-tied-mass-shootings
This article is garbage. They don’t even name the drugs prescribed because they obviously don’t know.
Looks like more red flag laws. Watch for states to require inclusion of anti-depressants to the controlled substance databases, or the Feds could make anti-depressants into controlled substances (level 5 like Lyrica) and they would be included.
This would allow state DOJs to troll through data for anti-depressants and index with other data lists that they have. So a disorderly conduct charge, restraining order and anti-depressant could trigger a gun confiscation process. Why do you think that government has pushed so hard for electronic records? Why do you think that Medicare for all is just another way for the government (as payer) to get your records? Remember the vets that were getting hassled about their gun ownership during Obama?
The VA? Why bring them into it? The VA docs are just following protocol. MDs do very little more that distribute for the pharmaceutical companies.
Most mass shootings are due to mood altering prescription drugs. That is the difference between now and forty years ago when this didn’t happen on a monthly basis
They can point to big pharm and leave the VA out of this
“If Ian David Long was diagnosed with PTSD,...”
I despise them bringing this up in the context of veterans. War is horrific and no one exposed to it’s details is immune. However, there are hundreds of other ways for people to experience PTSD not related to war. Practically no one gets through life without it to a greater or lesser degree.
Zoloft, Paxil, Prozac, and Effexor - SSRIs and SNRIs - for “treating PYSD, have bad side-effects.
I just heard that he was mentally deranged in high school and the administration knew it. A story by one of his teachers where she found a cell phone and he went nuts to get it back, including being violent and groping and grabbing her, and the admin did nothing, didn’t even take him off his sports team. She does NOT believe it’s PTSD from his service. He was problematic long before.
MIND ALTERING DRUGS STRIKE AGAIN!
There is an argument for the VA to prescribe Marinol (marijuana extract) for PTSD (not currently allowed, although studied), instead of these SSRIs/SSNIs, but that has its drawbacks too. People could get intoxicated, crash cars, or become unproductive.
SSRIs work for a lot of people. Although this side effect (mass murder sprees) is rare, it is hard to imagine a worse possible side effect.
They all effect neurotransmitter levels in the brain. The anti-depressants in question lower Serotonin or Norepinephrine, Marinol raises Dopamine.
First off, I have a friend who did 3 tours in the sand box... came back, remains a detective to this day. I served.. living my life. Retired from the job. He asked me ,what is up with this PTSD, are the new kids all a bunch of wusses these days? Makes you wonder if this whole PTSD thing is just another way to peddle narcotics!
I don’t see anything in the article that says this person was treated at the VA so why the speculation about it?
“I wish we knew what caused mass shootings”
“All the shooters are on a specific antidepressant.”
“I think it’s the guns. Did you know that people can use guns to fight is tyrants? “
He was a mental mess BEFORE he went to war. War did nothing to help, but I am not blaming this on PTSD.