Posted on 03/12/2018 10:27:53 PM PDT by FrankLea
The reason for the 2nd Amendment was written was to give the citizen Military grade weapons to protect themselves from the Government. In 1776 the Military grade weapons was a Mussel loader now it is a fully automatic weapon. Thomas Jefferson said, "an Armed man is a Citizen, an unarmed man is a subject." This country was founded on the premise that all citizens are Sovereign.
I agree full auto has no place in the civilian world. They are designed to be used on fast moving vehicles or aircraft to shoot the enemy. They are also good for laying down cover fire so your soldiers can get into a better position to assault the enemy. It will also kill large numbers of people in a crowd. For civilians is waste too much ammo and you have no idea where most of the bullets are going. Semi-auto is good. Select fire puts the bullets where you want them. I used to own a Ruger 10-22 rifle; it was a semi-automatic weapon with a variety of clips. Anywhere from 10 to 50 rounds. Given this; the Ruger 10-22 carbine is considered an Assault weapon in the state of New Jersey. I am certain it has a similar classification in other states. I agree it is a lethal weapon.
My question is; What designates a weapon as an assault weapon? All firearms: Pistols, Rifles, Carbines, Shotguns are designed to Kill. Pistols are designed to kill people. Many states outlaw pistols for hunting. It does not matter if it is mussel loader, Breach loader single shot, semi or full auto all firearms are all designed to kill. By that reckoning, all firearms are assault weapons.
The mussel loaders of the Revolution were the military weapons of the day. In my opinion from reading the Federalist Papers; the argument that the 2nd amendment only pertains to those type of weapons is flawed as those were the high tech military weapons of that time. In the civil war, breech loader riffles were developed. Repeating Lever and bolt action rifles came soon after. Black powder cap and ball pistols were refitted to use cartridges. The carbine and semi-auto and full auto weapons came a short time later. The founding fathers were adamant in the Federalist Papers that an armed society will keep the government in fear of the people; not the people in fear of the government. I believe if we were able to ask the founding fathers do you think it is a good idea that the people of today to have military grade weapons to defend themselves from the government they would to a man say “Yes.”
As for banning all firearms; this will never work. Anyone who wants to can make a zip gun in the privacy of their home with hand tools and supplies from a hardware store. It will take a while and may not be the best weapon. Then again, firearms started out as handcrafted weapons of exceptional quality. A person in a basic machine shop can manufacturer a pistol, rifle or shotgun in a short amount of time. 3D printers can print a firearm in a few hours. A man in Bulgaria created a key fob gun for personal protection. It is a very small weapon that shoots 22 or 38 caliber bullets. It has a short range of a few feet and fits between 2 fingers. It can be made in a machine shop in less than an hour.
Whatever laws the government passes someone will find a way around it. If the government bans smokeless powder used in the cartridges; someone with a high school level chemistry class education can make a suitable substitute. If all firearms are banned and confiscated then murderous people will find different ways to cause mayhem. Timothy McVeigh the Oklahoma City bomber used a truck, fertilizer, and diesel fuel for domestic terrorism.
Guns are not the problem. There is no simple panacea cure for the violence in this country. I will be the first to say I do not have all of the answers on how to fix this huge problem in our country. Any of the simple answers have been put forth and tried. Many have failed. I do believe we need to get back to a Nuclear family for the majority of the people in the country. This will help stabilize many communities. A strong family was the basis of our country for most of its history. But this is a topic for another day.
As always I look forward to the discussion on my views. These are my views and I believe they are for the most part correct. If you have an opposing view I desire a spirited conversation.
Interesting on the subject
https://allthingsliberty.com/2013/07/charles-willson-peales-riffle-with-a-tellescope-to-it/
Better in Black Bean Garlic Sauce!
As I’ve stated elsewhere on this forum, the 2nd Amendment isn’t because we were worried about the deer getting out of control.
Mussel loader? Another idiot who knows nothing.
“I agree full auto has no place in the civilian world.”
Author tells us upfront that they are an idiot.
It’s all fun and games until somebody busts a bivalve in your a... err, backside, lol.
At the minimum, the citizen should be armed at the level of the “personal weapon” of the “standing army”!
Defensive weapons, all of them, serve a purpose. That purpose is to defend against those who will do one harm... using the left’s “assault weapon” makes their case before our side even starts.
Unbelievable! 22-yr-old Storm Durham tells us about getting fired for having a CCW permit!
Stop gunsplaining... you are just trying to negate his clams.
Step 1: Enforce existing laws.
Step 2: Punish lawbreakers, up to and including, death penalty.
Step 3: Repeat until the stupid %#*+ get the message that crime doesn’t pay.
Reloads at a snails pace.
The "used by the military" test was applied by SCOTUS in the 1939 Miller case. If a short barrel shotgun was of a type used by the military, not only could the feds not ban it, possession could not even be taxed.
In the absence of any evidence tending to show that possession or use of a "shotgun having a barrel of less than eighteen inches in length" at this time has some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia, we cannot say that the Second Amendment guarantees the right to keep and bear such an instrument. Certainly it is not within judicial notice that this weapon is any part of the ordinary military equipment, or that its use could contribute to the common defense. Aymette v. State, 2 Humphreys (Tenn.) 154, 158.Scalia used rank intellectual dishonesty to turn this case on its head when he composed Heller. Under the new test, and unconstitutional restiction becomes constitutional if the courts ignore the issue for long enough. Long standing unconstitution bans become constitutional because they are long standing.
Between Mussel loaders and clips, Mr Ward lost me in the first two paragraphs.
I believe at the very least, a citizen should be able to arm himself with the standard military rifle or its equivalent of the current day.
The author is incorrect on full automatic. Once you start parsing out weaponry, the argument for being a vanguard against tyranny hollows. We are either an armed citienzry able to put down invasions and tyrants, or not. You know the invaders or tyrants will have full auto.
Mussel loaders were the earliest foray into the development of WWII Flak Guns.
In the 1700s, shards of fired mussel shells would take out anything flying overhead!
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Exactly
It uses the dreaded 50 cal clam sabot.
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