Yeh, yeh here we go again knife vs gun fight debate. Posted on 10/27/2017 11:06:45 AM PDT by w1n1
Yeh, yeh here we go again knife vs gun fight debate.
For those that don't know the term "21 foot rule". It is well known (also called Tueller Drill) within the law enforcement and personal defense circle. This defensive drill was patterned after a Salt Lake City Police Sergeant Dennis Tueller experimentation.
The Tueller drill is all about “reactionary gap” through training. Other trainers have come up with the distances associated it to the Tueller drill. This experimentation, determined that the average healthy adult male can cover a distance of seven yards (21 feet) in about 1.5 seconds.
The significance of the time factor is based on the reasonable standard that a person who’s trained in proper pistolcraft (gun fighting) should be able to draw a handgun and place two centered hits on a life-size silhouette at seven yards in about 1.5 seconds.
Its important to point out that both the distance of 21 feet and the time factor as addressed in Tueller’s drill, were both approximations based on training experience is all.
Training Scar
According to Force Science Research Center the old way of training was to stop the scenario when the defender gets off the first shot at the perpetrator. This type of training and mentality of “bang you’re dead” leads to a false sense of safety, this is a “training scar“. A training scar is a negative trait that’s come as a result of bad training practices.
Another training scar that is common in shooting is how we are all conditioned to stand on the firing line and shoot at a static target. For this reason, most Law Enforcement Officers and civilian gun owners step in concrete the minute their gun leaves the holster. Safety was the primary motive to reinforce training with firearm. If there were any movement implemented into the training. It was limited to movements to perpendicular or lateral movements in relations to the target.
Alternative Solutions
Force Science Research Center provides an alternative way is to turn the “Tueller concept” into an actual drill as a force on force exercise. Read the rest and see the 21 foot rule video here.
Hoe yer good
Or hope, I’m over due for a new keyboard.
I’m familiar with that range. I’ll check their ASI club out.
The problem is with the laws that don't allow civilians to do what is necessary.
LEO's and civilians need to be held to the same standards.
No excuses just because they are wearing a uniform.
Any cop who shoots someone without justification ought to be jailed same as anyone else and forfeit all pension and benefits and anything else that came with the job, including any opportunity to serve in that field again.
But people who defend LEO's who are unjustly framed as not jackboot lickers.
Really?
There were, and are, PLENTY here, and on other conservative sites who are quite OK with shooting kids.
just type ‘Tamir Rice’ into the search box here.
Or ‘Andy Lopez’.
Probably the BEST scene in the whole series...and I loved the series.
In Florida assault or battery on a person 65 yoa or older is a forcible felony. That means almost any overt threat to do me harm with the apparent ability to do so can be met with deadly force. That would include your dog.
I really liked Justified. Great show. Not sure of Timothy Olyphant’s politics, and I do not care to know.
You would be in SEVERE danger from my dog.
She’d lick you to death before you could draw :-)
I found this in an old thread, posted by a now unknown Freeper and repost it occasionally when it fits a topic.
The “Center Mass” Myth and Ending a Gunfight
http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/the-center-mass-myth-and-ending-a-gunfight-triggernometry/
“Lots of people stay in the fight after “center mass” hits, and some even win it... One, two or even several well placed “center mass” shots may not do what you think it will...”
The author,Jim Higginbotham, who has had decades of LEO experience makes the case that even in the case of lethal hits, the perp has enough time to fire back, and in many cases kill people who were waiting to see the effect of their initial hits on target.
As a civilian, I found this article to be a real eye opener, and while it may be old news to those of you in law enforcement or the military (thank you all for your service), I hope you will take the time to read this article. God forbid any of us should get into a gunfight, but this article could be a lifesaver someday.
If the bad guys get within 21 feet you are doing it wrong.
I try to stay 21 feet away from Everybody.
I shot about a 350 pound feral hog the other night that was a lot closer than that. About 10 feet when it finally dropped. It was charging and I hit it twice with a 223 round but not a kill shot. Third one was on target. I'm too old to run... and all I had was the gun and a green light flashlight. I sat down for a few minutes after that.... :)
Soo.... fresh baked cookies in one hand and a 45 caliber in the other when people come to visit?
:)
Yeah I had the old duckbill choke and turning the gun so the pattern was vertical would clear a doorway or hallway quite nicely...... I want the new “Paradigm Gator” choke for my old Benelli M1 or maybe a new M4.......with the patterns shown you could almost aim it with a compass ...... Stay Safe !
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