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Who would buy an AR-15 Trigger System?
Am Shooting Journal ^ | 8/3/2017 | I Harris

Posted on 08/03/2017 7:35:31 AM PDT by w1n1

Here's an aftermarket trigger that doesn’t suck and actually shows some innovation.

With all the customizing of AR’s , using a shorter barrel would need to also shorten the gas system to allow it to operate correctly.

Operating at this level the bolt carrier system picks up speed. Which winds up beating up the firing component.

The fire control components takes a huge beating, specifically the disconnector.

After four thousand rounds the pin shears and disconnecter failure occurs. This is the reason manufacturers comes out with trigger system to solve this problem and here's one to consider.

KE Arms trigger system (tested with 5K rounds) built theirs without a disconnector. See the full AR15 trigger system video here. How about you all, would you buy one?


TOPICS: Hobbies; Outdoors
KEYWORDS: ar15; banglist; triggers

1 posted on 08/03/2017 7:35:31 AM PDT by w1n1
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To: w1n1

Thanks, but I don’t need it. The rapid fire trigger on my old derringer works just fine. :)


2 posted on 08/03/2017 7:42:51 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: w1n1

Perhaps, if I owned an AR-15


3 posted on 08/03/2017 7:44:44 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: w1n1
In many states the lack of a disconnector is really gambling.

For example; you are at the local public range and your rifle short cycles (for whatever reason) and suddenly you are full auto. Assuming you are capable of controlling that does the ATF guy 4 bays down think it is OK to have an accident like that?

I doubt it. Think cuffs and no guns ever again.

As the viking said 'grow stronger' if the disconnector is the weak link. Make it better, don't remove a critical piece of safety gear.

4 posted on 08/03/2017 7:46:42 AM PDT by GOPBiker (Thank a veteran, with a smile, every chance you get. You do more good than you can know.)
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To: w1n1

My Garand trigger works just fine with its 1/4” takeup. Same takeup on my 03A3. Nice.

There is a little ‘snick’ on the trigger just before let off on my 1882 vintage Winchester 73 in 44 WCF. Not awful though

The worst is on my 1884 Trapdoor. Now THAT’S a heavy trigger.

The point is moot though because when the canoe tipped in that 1000 ft deep creek they all went to the bottom...

...sad realy


5 posted on 08/03/2017 8:02:49 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: w1n1

If I were to buy an AR. It would be one of the ‘New....improved” models with a gas piston and not the direct impingement dirtifying kind.


6 posted on 08/03/2017 8:06:50 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Vaquero

That’s some crick.


7 posted on 08/03/2017 12:46:48 PM PDT by gundog (Hail to the Chief, bitches.)
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To: gundog

Probably formed by an asteroid strike. Or somepin.


8 posted on 08/03/2017 1:15:16 PM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: w1n1

No video I could see at the link.

Would hope they ran this system by the damn BATF for their take and avoid any buyers being in jeopardy of modifying their AR to be full auto by removing the disconnector.


9 posted on 08/03/2017 2:14:50 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: Vaquero

Is it in a U shaped valley of a V shaped valley?


10 posted on 08/03/2017 4:43:41 PM PDT by gundog (Hail to the Chief, bitches.)
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U shaped would indicate Glacially formed gun repository. So I pick “C” .


11 posted on 08/03/2017 6:16:31 PM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: w1n1
I don't see how the designers claim that their trigger system doesn't have a disconnector. I can clearly see a disconnector in the animation. It is just a differently designed disconnector than in a milspec AR trigger group.

The disconnector in the animation is the small hook at the bottom of the sear that engages a hook on the trigger. When the trigger is pulled, the sear releases the hammer, then the hooks disengage allowing the sear to pop back up to catch the hammer. You cannot trip the sear again until you release the trigger, which resets the disconnector.

Fancy marketing, interesting design, but definitely not 'disconnector-free.'

12 posted on 08/03/2017 6:27:30 PM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: doorgunner69
No video I could see at the link.

Would hope they ran this system by the damn BATF for their take and avoid any buyers being in jeopardy of modifying their AR to be full auto by removing the disconnector.

Here's a better video that describes how the system works:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_yKIcxJCIw

There is a disconnector, it just acts on the sear instead of catching the hammer directly.

13 posted on 08/03/2017 6:52:19 PM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Yo-Yo

Simply stated, an absent or broken disconnector creates a malfunction condition- not an automatic trigger. ATF agrees.

Hammer riding the the firing pin is a recipe for the dreaded “kaBoom” of an out of battery discharge- when the primer is initiated by the protruding FP before the bolt rotates to lock. Makes a general mess of the rifle and maybe the operator or bystanders.


14 posted on 08/05/2017 5:44:45 PM PDT by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War")
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To: w1n1

Looking at it mechanically, one set of sear surfaces is doing double duty- both sear and disconnect functions. From the look of the scale, those surfaces are rather small in appearance. Small means wear.

The original AR trigger sucks for the most part, but in mil spec versions it is serviceable at heavy weight/lots of engagement and the disconnector is a separate entity doing its own work.

Modern two stage designs use a more- Garandesque design, like Xtreme, Rock River, Gieselle etc- front and rear hammer hooks and independent sear and disconnector surfaces doing disconnect and sear independently and are eminently durable.

In my estimation, this trigger will not be very successful- things break, little things break more often.

Anyway, innovation and modern manufacturing is the basis of a capitial economy.


15 posted on 08/05/2017 5:51:02 PM PDT by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War")
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