Word (from The Firearm Blog) has it that Glocks cannot get over losing the XM17 Modular Handgun System contract to Sig Sauer. Posted on 07/24/2017 9:21:48 AM PDT by w1n1
Word (from The Firearm Blog) has it that Glocks cannot get over losing the XM17 Modular Handgun System contract to Sig Sauer.
More rumors are getting around stating that Sig Sauer was basically handed the contract.
The XM17 tests were a huge differences to the M9 tests of the 1980s. The M9 tests were very in-depth,and the results were talked about for years by various gun publications.
From reading everything we can tell the 1980s about the M9 project, there seem to be several major fallacies with the M17 test. If we look at the fallacies, the chances of Glock winning diminish even more.
Randomly Selected Handguns During the M9 test, inspectors were allowed to select handguns at random from the factory. As reported by various publications in the 1980s, inspectors were allowed to walk into the factory, and hand pick at random which handguns to test. These samples were then tested and compared with the submitted samples.
The goal was to see if companies had modified their submissions from guns that were actually being produced.
Glocks does not mass-produce the model submitted for the M17 test. It would have been pretty much impossible for inspectors to compare random handguns from the assembly line to the test sample Glock submitted; this alone is the opposite to what happened in the 1980s.
Let's look at the facts: Glock and Beretta dropped the ball. They had 30 years to develop a new handgun, and they didn't. Read the rest of the Glock & Beretta XM17 project story here.
And we all know how flawlessly those brains work don’t we? Maybe they could just leave the safety off while others have an option, There’s just something about having an obstacle between a projectile and the family jewels that intrigues me.
Glock owners typically don’t respect people having safety options. They won’t holster a hot 1911 with the safety off, but will holster a hot Glock. Weird.
Have you looked at the RIA FS HC Ultra 10mm double stack yet?
Yeah, not for self defense but because it's a boomer. Have had a DW 8" .44 mag for a long time. Deer and bears don't like it, but I do. Groups good at 50 yds when I do my part.
Nope, will now.
Hope yer good.
I’d like to handle one. 16 rounds sounds like a fat handle. Price looks good though.
Because it doesn't need one. Your finger should be your "safety".
Also, are you trolling?
“Because it doesn’t need one. Your finger should be your “safety”.”
As a proud and happy multiple-Glock owner, but also as a recently-retired combat arms Sergeant Major with multiple tours down-range, I will say that if it’s going to be issued to the military, it DOES need one.
Your finger and your brain SHOULD be your safety, but there are a lot of “shoulds” out there that need some mechanical help.
Why no thumb safety?
If you train with the gun properly, you don’t need one. And arguably it gives one a small time advantage when going from holster to shots on target. One less step in the path. I have trained with but glock and 1911. I love the 1911 but the glock is simpler thus faster.
“Why does Glock refuse to put a thumb safety on its pistols?
Because it doesn’t need one. Your finger should be your “safety”.
Also, are you trolling?”
So the M1911, P38, Luger, PPK,M9 etc are defective? Are M1’s,M14’s, AR’s, AK’s, etc pussy guns? There is a reason for safeties...safety. The human brain is not a mechanical safety nor is a finger.
This is a forever debate and I understand and respect both sides of the argument, do what you will and godspeed. I am a Glock owner myself but at my age I have a very dim view of the safety of the human brain, trigger finger, and fortuitous events. Over confidence is a killer and I have no interest in a Glock leg or nuts.
The only thing I troll for are crappies, walleyes etc
Yours truly
Almost all situations are not going to be throwdowns where who clears leather first wins. How long does it take to flick off a safety?
Most gunfights last less than 2 seconds. If I can save .1 second I just got a 5% edge. If I fumble a safety under stress I just gave up .5 sec giving the opponent a 25% edge, maybe more if he has already drawn. I like to play odds more than just gamble on a situation I can’t predict.
Skin that smokewagon and godspeed.
Skin that smokewagon and godspeed.
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