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SHTF Drop your AK and Pick up a Shotgun
AShooting Journal ^ | 10/27/2015 | M Miller

Posted on 10/27/2015 9:17:30 AM PDT by w1n1

The AK family of weapons is reliable and rugged. It was designed to be operated by illiterate teenage conscripts with little to no training. It was never intended to protect a family after a natural disaster and is ill suited to that purpose. If the answer comes down to supportability and simplicity, you need a shotgun.

Everybody has their own ideas about guns, that is part of their charm. There are near-infinite combinations of precision, wounding potential, and magazine capacity. There is much opinion on this. I will give you mine. You are welcome to violently disagree; it is your God-given right.

I have been to some bad places around the world and have seen bad things happen. When I lived on the Gulf Coast, I went through the aftermath of several major hurricanes. I now live in a rural area and maintain a wide selection of weapons. When I hear a noise in the night, I grab the shotgun.

Simplicity

The AK was designed for wartime production. The elimination of a bolt hold-open feature saved three parts. In Soviet Russia, magazines are scarce and valuable, so you are driven to hold the magazine to work the flapper magazine release. This is meant to make you hold on to magazines rather than let them drop free, since it’ll be in your hand before you insert the next magazine. The sights require a tool to adjust. This keeps recruits from messing up the fine zero the factory armorers put on it.

Semiautomatic rifles have their place. In the proper hands, with quality ammo and parts, they can shoot a lot of rounds a long way. There is also a place for bolt guns, but the relatively slow rate of fire demands that they be employed with some stand-off. At distance, even a Lee-Enfield or Mosin-Nagant could be effective.

My vote for home protection? The all-American choice is the Remington 870. The pump shotgun is incredibly simple. The controls? A safety button and a pump. Work the pump and shoot. Got a jam? Work the pump and shoot. Repeat as necessary and reload. Read the rest of the shotgun story here.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Outdoors; Society
KEYWORDS: ak47; banglist; shotgun; shtf; survivalprepping
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To: MileHi
You can find some really bad advice on these threads.

Isn't that the truth.

81 posted on 10/27/2015 12:33:56 PM PDT by corlorde (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Nervous Tick
"Mini-14 vs. AR is also good popcorn entertainment."

I know there used to be issues with the accuracy of mini 14s that had something to do with the barrels they used. I believe that Ruger remedied the problem and they are now fine rifles. But it's something to keep in mind if one is considering buy a used mini.

82 posted on 10/27/2015 12:36:22 PM PDT by circlecity
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To: MileHi

Yep... usually beginning with the “racking the slide will make even the Devil wet his pants” posts.


83 posted on 10/27/2015 12:37:25 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: circlecity

I happen to like my Mini. I’m aware that out of the box a typical Mini is likely a bit less accurate than a typical AR. There are a couple other common issues, like they throw spent brass into the next county, although that can be corrected.

But you would not believe the amount of heat generated by a discussion of relative merits in either the popular Ruger or AR forums. Like a Mac vs Windows thread here. (Or Catholic vs Protestant in a religion thread)


84 posted on 10/27/2015 12:46:47 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (There is no "allah" but satan, and mohammed was his demon-possessed tool.)
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To: w1n1

I have the two in one, the Saiga 12 gauge “AK shotgun”


85 posted on 10/27/2015 1:53:48 PM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall no)
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To: Malone LaVeigh

beat me to it


86 posted on 10/27/2015 1:54:15 PM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall no)
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To: SJSAMPLE

Looks like a Vz-58.


87 posted on 10/27/2015 4:30:01 PM PDT by gundog (Help us, Nairobi-Wan Kenobi...you're our only hope.)
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To: tumblindice

I’ve put plated OO buck through a deer and had them stop at the hide on the other side...at 60 yards. Nobody’s very froggy when their lungs start filling with blood.


88 posted on 10/27/2015 4:38:59 PM PDT by gundog (Help us, Nairobi-Wan Kenobi...you're our only hope.)
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To: SJSAMPLE
"Strange. Because practically everywhere in the world where S*&t HAS hit the fan, they drop everything and pick up an AK."

I have to agree. The Viet Cong and the NVA had very good success with the AK. I actually carried one occasionally in Viet Nam.

89 posted on 10/27/2015 5:41:38 PM PDT by mosaicwolf (Strength and Honor)
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To: ctdonath2
AR15 vs shotgun?

You forgot to mention that although not as recognizable as the sound of racking the slide on a shotgun the sound of an AR 15 bolt chambering a round is quite terrifying to the average lowlife home invader.

90 posted on 10/28/2015 1:02:13 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: IncPen; Nailbiter

bflr


91 posted on 10/28/2015 1:16:18 AM PDT by Nailbiter
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To: DCBryan1
Also a SUPRESSED Ruger 10/22 with scope.

How sweet is that?

92 posted on 10/28/2015 2:26:43 PM PDT by Utah Binger (Ancestral Puebloan Xeroid)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

LOL - think of it as a savings account. If you buy used at a good price you can probably get your money back at any time even factoring in inflation.


93 posted on 10/28/2015 9:18:11 PM PDT by TheTimeOfMan (Cruz / West 2016)
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To: w1n1
My vote for home protection? The all-American choice is the Remington 870.

Shotguns are okay, but I like something a little larger.

M1028 comes in at about 6:30]

94 posted on 10/30/2015 11:56:08 AM PDT by archy
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To: humblegunner

ping for later


95 posted on 11/03/2015 6:37:11 AM PST by Big Red Badger (UNSCANABLE in an IDIOCRACY!)
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To: Tupelo
He forgot to mention, pumping an 870 in a dark room is one of the most frightening sounds on earth.

If you're not an ignorant savage that doesn't know what the sound means.

96 posted on 11/03/2015 6:43:51 AM PST by Stentor ("The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity.")
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To: Stentor

Cycling a .45 M1911 has the same chilling effect.


97 posted on 11/03/2015 6:46:56 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Tupelo
He forgot to mention, pumping an 870 in a dark room is one of the most frightening sounds on earth.

It also gives away your position, and a hyped up addict might just start blasting away toward the sound of it. The first and last sound a burglar should hear is muzzle blast.

98 posted on 11/03/2015 6:54:55 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (Big government is attractive to those who think that THEY will be in control of it.)
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To: w1n1

So what do you do when the SHTF and the bad guys simply step across the street and return fire? Shotguns have a very limited range.


99 posted on 11/03/2015 6:58:55 AM PST by CodeToad (Stupid kills, but not nearly enough!)
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To: central_va
Cycling a .45 M1911 has the same chilling effect.

True. I operate on the principle that there will always be somebody out there who's crazier than I am. For instance, suppose some dumbass brings a knife to a gunfight at close quarters in a darkened room of my house. I am not giving my knowledge of terrain advantage away by racking anything.

100 posted on 11/03/2015 6:59:24 AM PST by Stentor ("The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity.")
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