Posted on 10/09/2014 4:59:23 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
According to the Pew Research Center, half of Americans think business owners should be required to provide their services for same-sex weddings even if doing so violates their religious beliefs. In a September poll from the group, respondents split down the middle on the following question:
If a business provides wedding services, such as catering or flowers, should it be allowed to refuse those services to a same-sex couple for religious reasons, or required to provide those services as it would to all other customers?
The number saying businesses should be required to provide such services included a majority of Catholics, noteworthy given Rome's stance on "traditional" marriage. This all seems to suggest a large segment of the population is fine with the idea that people can be compelled to do a job even if they feel it goes against their beliefs.
Not so fast—issues like this are tricky to poll on. Even small, seemingly inconsequential tweaks to wording can completely upend the results of a question. Take for example the contraception mandate issue decided earlier this year by the Supreme Court in Hobby Lobby v. Burwell. In February 2012, a CBS News/New York Times poll asked the following question:
And what about for religiously affiliated employers, such as a hospital or university—do you support or oppose a recent federal requirement that their health insurance plans cover the full cost of birth control for their female employees?
The response was overwhelming—by a 2–1 margin, respondents supported the requirement. But when the same two outlets tweaked the question a month later, they got the opposite result. Worded as follows, a full majority—57 percent—said the employer should not have to cover contraception:
What about for religiously affiliated employers, such as a hospital or university?[continued]
(Excerpt) Read more at reason.com ...
We will see when a black baker is asked to work a KKK event
It not gay m_______e, It’s legalize sodomy contract
A court may FORCE you to bake a cake against your will and religion, but they cannot force you to make it look or taste good.
Funny story: when I was in Junior High some girls baked a cake for a particularly obnoxious teacher with icing made of ex-lax. The teacher was out for a week. I suspect every time she started to get better, she would help herself to a little cake.
If that became law and I had such a customer walk in the door, I would abandon the business and go Galt.
I wouldn’t want any food, including cake, from an “enemy” would you?
In A Free Country, Christian Confectioners Should Not Be Forced To Pack Anyone’s Fudge
by Donald Joy
http://clashdaily.com/2014/02/free-country-christian-confectioners-forced-pack-anyones-fudge/
nope.
These people are not looking to conduct a business transaction. They are looking to destroy what they perceive to be a “hater”. No doubt the business owner has been identified as a “hater” before they went to the store. It is lawfare plain and simple. It is deliberate, it is planned.
I don’t go for this cutesy stuff about making a bad product, putting Ex-Lax in the ingrediants, and whatnot. I consider this a deadly serious attack on freedom, and I’d refuse. And I’d refuse to pay any fine. And I’d go to jail. Or, more likely (in all honesty), I’d go out with guns blazing, before being taken to jail.
Sometimes you really have to put it all on the line. Our forefathers did, and I like to confidently think I would be willing to follow in their footsteps.
I'd close it down, call it something else and keep on keepin' on ....
barrooms and nightclubs do it all the time.
Psych! The STATE ALREADY OWNS EVERYTHING!
There is no situation in which a free American should be required to work for another person. Freedom of association, freedom of religion, and (if necessary) “the right of the people to keep and bear Arms” all take precedence over a pervert’s desire to compel others to endorse their behavior.
There is no moral obligation to obey a demand for service, or even to deal with these thugs in good faith. Once they started filing lawsuits demanding that free Americans violate their religious beliefs, they lost all claim to honest dealings. “Sure, I’d love to . . . (and then at the last minute, and having made sure that the contract specifies no penalty for nonperformance) oh dear, I have a conflict and can’t.”
We need to start playing their games back on them, not just the homosexuals but all the left wing special interests. Until we do so they will continue to run rough shod over us.
In this case we need to find homosexual owned businesses and demand that they make something for us that they don’t like. This of course needs to be done in the states like OR that have dismissed the concept of freedom of association. A homosexual baker could me required to bake a cake for one of us that reads: Homosexual < Hetrosexual. The same could be done for a shirt printer.
They will of course scream like a stuck pig, but UNTIL we are willing to use some of their tactics against them they will continue to use them against us.
The Wedding Cake is also part of that religious celebration tradition as the Wedding Feast. Weddings and marriage is covered many places in The Bible even some parables Christ taught used weddings and marriage. It was a religious thousands of years before the governments within the United States began using marriage as a revenue generator and for tax purposes.
In GOD's Word who does a person owe obedience too? GOD's Law or mans decrees and writs? If we say mans decrees and writs then that makes The Apostles & Disciples law breakers. For they disobeyed orders by the governors and even Temple Priest and High Priest to stop teaching The Gospel.
The couple owning the bakery are under a type of persecution our forefathers and the Founding Fathers fought against. The right not to bake Homosexuals a wedding cake was bought on battle fields with blood of patriots.
Now that said there is freedom of religion in this nation. If Homosexuals wish to within their own community hold the abomination called same sex marriage ceremonies they are free to have their own church and bake their own cakes. In no case I know of has that right been denied.
Marriage and what constitutes marriage before GOD should be the domain of The Churches themselves. It should not fall under the domain of the federal government nor IMO for that matter state or local governments. Marriage is a man and a woman's commitment and vows to each other and GOD. Government has been trying since the days of LBJ administration to destroy it.
Any elected or appointed government official trying to impose civil or penal punishments upon citizens for refusing to be a party to what they see as sin and using such threats as a means to force them into doing so should be either ran out of town or jailed for extortion and blackmail.
It's time to stop being passive and going along to get along on issues.
I think PETA members & vegetarians should be forced to take "Diversity" classes...
Working in either a butcher shop or abattoir.
/s
(not much different than forcing Christian bakers & B&B owners to cater to homosexuals)
we need to get the arguments straight
it is not a situation of “not serving” someone, “gay” or otherwise
it is a situation of being asked to perform a particular kind/type of service, a type of service that supports or promotes something you cannot
it is not “discrimination” against “gays”; it is an ethical disagreement about supporting or not supporting “gay” marriage
abortion is “legal”; do you have to support it? no; cigarettes and alcohol are “legal”, do you have to support their use, no; “gay marriage” may be “O.K.” under law, but do you have to support it? No.
Exactly - in a “free” society, no one could force you to provide a service or serve a person or group of persons that you didn’t want to serve. You might pay consequences for that choice, but it would be your choice.
We are owned by the collective.
Should lawyers be required by law to take any client or do they retain the right of refusal?
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