Obama birth record, citizenship, unraveled for Alabama Supreme Court?

Coach is Right ^ | 3/16/14 | George Spelvin

[Oldpuppymax]

Barack Hussein Obama’s birth riddle is being analyzed in a 13 page, Amicus Curiae brief filed with the Alabama Supreme Court by Harvard Attorney Albert W.L. Moore Jr. The brief promises to offer a straightforward theory as to just who this man in our White House really and truly is. (1)

Moore summarizes what is going on: “He (BHO) was a natural born American on the date of his birth, but further official records prove that he lost American citizenship and constitutional eligibility to the Presidency as definitively confirmed by his 1983 naturalization as an American citizen. By law, this process of naturalization did NOT restore his constitutional eligibility.”

Filed on 13 May, 2013, Attorney Moore (pg. 10) is asking that the AL Supreme Court remand the Obama eligibility conundrum back to the trial court to seek discovery concerning the following: a. subpoenaing his (BHO) DNA; b. all of his Hawai’ian “vital records consisting of an original birth certificate showing his ACTUAL (CiR emphasis) birth parents and his amended birth certificate showing his adoptive parents.” The Moore Amicus further contends that Stanley Ann Dunham and Barack Hussein Obama Sr, a Luo tribesman...

[Jack Black]

Oh, so the Constitution is merely some old “18th Century law”. Well, it’s useless, then. What other parts are junk?

The Constitution is, as a matter of fact, 18th Century Law. Unfortunately it does not define "Natural Born Citizen", but uses the term. So proponents of various definitions of what NBC means have taken to quoting things like 18th Century Law Dictionaries to make their case.

I don't think that that technique has been particularly effective.

[Nero Germanicus]

For the record:
On August 12, 2008 the Internet blog network and news portal Pajamas Media announced that they had received this e-mail confirmation from the Bush Administration’s Selective Service System stating that Barack Obama had, in fact, registered for the draft as required by law:

Mr. Owens,

Barack Hussein Obama registered at a post office in Hawaii. The effective registration date was September 4, 1980.

His registration number is 61-1125539-1.

Daniel Amon
Public Affairs Specialist

As a result of the investigation and this e-mail Pajamas Media concluded that: “Barack Obama fulfilled his Selective Service obligation and has every legal right to run for the presidency of the United States.”

Some concern was still expressed by bloggers over the “effective registration date” of September 4, 1980. This was more than a month after the six day period outlined in the law for men born during calendar year 1961. This was later resolved when his actual registration form was revealed to carry a postmark of July 29, 1980. The later September date corresponds to the date of data entry into the Selective Service System’s information system.

[Nero Germanicus]

The Constitution is also 146 years old, when the 14th Amendment was adopted in 1868 stating that there are only two forms of citizenship: born and naturalized.
The Constitution is also only 22 years old, when the 27th amendment was adopted in 1992 after having been originally proposed by James Madison in 1789, 202 years prior to ratification.
The Amendments are additional Articles of the Constitution.

[devolve]

"…maybe a little blow…"

- Barack Hussein Obama Junior

[Kenny Bunk]

I can chew gum and walk at the same time,

No multi-tasker I! Division of labor, all that sort of thing. One of us can chew the gum, the other can walk over to the polls and replace the co-dependents that are screwing this outfit up.

What gives me pause is that others who lack the multi-task gene, as I do, will choose IMNVHO, the wrong frickin' task!

[VikingMom]

OK - my bad then...from your earlier comments, you had indicated that you turned 18 in 1978 or 1979 and were therefore exempt from registration....which is what I was challenging. You, and your brother, are in the window that didn’t have to register.

However, Obama, if he was born August 4, 1961, would have turned 18 in 1979, and would have been required to register once Carter reestablished Selective Service in 1980.

Thanks for clarifying - I wasn’t trying to pick a fight with you!

[little jeremiah]

The only reason it hasn’t been effective is about 3 generations of communist/socialist takeover of all institutions in our country. Up until pretty recently it was accepted and known that a NBC meant citizen parents, born on US soil.

I don’t see any way out of this that is pretty.

[Plummz]

Noelani?

[BurningOak]

Yeah, birtherism is fantasy.

[x]

I thought I read on some threads since I came that you couldn’t “surrender” or lose your US citizenship.

You can, but it would be difficult for a child to give up citizenship or a parent to do it for a child.

It's not very likely that any American would do that at a time when and in a country where death squads had recently been very active.

[Nero Germanicus]

There are seven acts that are considered expatriating and can result in the loss of citizenship.
These are:
(1) Being naturalized in a foreign country, upon the person’s own application made after reaching 18 years of age; parents cannot renounce US citizenship for a child.
(2) Making an oath or other declaration of allegiance to a foreign country or division thereof, again, after reaching 18 years of age;
(3) Serving in the armed forces of a foreign country if those armed forces are engaged in hostilities against the US, or if the person serves as an officer;
(4) Working for the government of a foreign country if the person also obtains nationality in that country, or if to work in such a position an oath or other declaration of allegiance is required;
(5) Making a formal renunciation of US citizenship before a US consular officer or diplomat in a foreign country;
(6) Making a formal written statement of renunciation during a state of war, if the Attorney General approves the renunciation as not contrary to US national defense; and
(7) Committing an act of treason against the US, or attempting by force or the use of arms to overthrow the government of the US. Renunciation by this means can be accomplished only after a court has found the person guilty.

[Lurking Libertarian]

As far as I know, committing a felony disqualifies one from becoming president,

Where does it say that? Certainly not in Article II, Section 1.

[machogirl]

No problemo!

[machogirl]

yep, and they do screw with people. they tried to screw with my DAUGHTER last year, and we were FORCED to send her birth certificate to Selective Service to prove she was a girl. she has a girl name. the “agent” at SS said somewhere along the line, the Department of Education had “determined” she was a boy. nevermind that they could care LESS that the Illegal Immigrant compliance rate with the SS LAW is statistically ZERO.

i was told by the “agent”, that if we didn’t comply and send in her birth certificate, they would: screw with her financial aid (fafsa) AND penalize her (fines/jail) and SHE’S A GIRL, THEY CAN’T DO THAT. (except in THIS Administration they can do whatever they want, screw the LAW, “barry won”). the Constitution? it doesn’t exist.

AND WHERE were my Senators McShamnesty and McFlake when I called their offices for HELP? NADA, not even a reply.

[aruanan]

“He (BHO) was a natural born American on the date of his birth,

There are two interesting bits here from uscis.gov about people born outside the U.S. and territories:

1. One parent is a U.S. citizen at the time of birth and the birthdate is before November 14, 1986 but after October 10, 1952

The parents are married at the time of birth and the U.S. citizen parent was physically present in the U.S. or its territories for a period of at least ten years at some time in his or her life prior to the birth, at least five of which were after his or her 14th birthday.

2. I am claiming citizenship through my mother. My parents were not married at the time of my birth. Does this affect whether I automatically acquired citizenship?

It may. You acquired U.S. citizenship at the time of your birth if you were born out of wedlock after December 23, 1952 and your U.S. citizen mother was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for at least one year prior to your birth.

So according to this a bastard born outside the U.S. to a 14-year-old U.S. citizen mother who had lived in the U.S. or its outlying possessions for at least a year prior to his birth is automatically a citizen, but if he is born to a 18 year old U.S. citizen mother who was, at the time of his birth, married to a foreign citizen then he is not a citizen because she had not been "physically present in the U.S. or its territories" at least 5 years after her 14th birthday.

[aruanan]

Not with that foreign born father he wasn’t...

Yes, according to uscis.gov. If you were born in the United States, whether to a married or unmarried mother, to parents who are not U.S. citizens, or to parents either of which is a U.S. citizen, you are a U.S. citizen by birth.

Please note that USCIS does not issue Certificates of Citizenship in cases where the person became a U.S. citizen based on birth in the United States. USCIS only issues Certificates of Citizenship to those individuals who were born abroad but are U.S. citizens at birth through their parents, or who became citizens after birth but before the age of 18.

The specific cases regarding married or unmarried and married foreign national father are covered in my post above, but reproduced below:

“He (BHO) was a natural born American on the date of his birth,

There are two interesting bits here from uscis.gov about people born outside the U.S. and territories:

1. One parent is a U.S. citizen at the time of birth and the birthdate is before November 14, 1986 but after October 10, 1952

The parents are married at the time of birth and the U.S. citizen parent was physically present in the U.S. or its territories for a period of at least ten years at some time in his or her life prior to the birth, at least five of which were after his or her 14th birthday.

2. I am claiming citizenship through my mother. My parents were not married at the time of my birth. Does this affect whether I automatically acquired citizenship?

It may. You acquired U.S. citizenship at the time of your birth if you were born out of wedlock after December 23, 1952 and your U.S. citizen mother was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for at least one year prior to your birth.

So according to this a bastard born outside the U.S. to a 14-year-old U.S. citizen mother who had lived in the U.S. or its outlying possessions for at least a year prior to his birth is automatically a citizen, but if he is born to a 18 year old U.S. citizen mother who was, at the time of his birth, married to a foreign citizen then he is not a citizen because she had not been "physically present in the U.S. or its territories" at least 5 years after her 14th birthday.



And from another page:

Born in Wedlock

Child of U.S. Citizen Parent and Foreign National Parent[8]

A child born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions acquires citizenship at birth if at the time of birth:

One parent is a foreign national and the other parent is a U.S. citizen; and
The U.S. citizen parent was physically present in the United States for at least 5 years, including at least 2 years after 14 years of age.


Out of wedlock

A child born out of wedlock outside of the United States and its outlying possessions acquires citizenship at birth if:

The child was born after December 23, 1952;
The child’s mother was a U.S. citizen at the time of the child’s birth; and
The child’s U.S. citizen mother was physically present in the United States or outlying possession for one continuous year prior to the child’s birth.[12]

[Tennessee Nana]

Yes, according to uscis.gov. If you were born in the United States, whether to a married or unmarried mother, to parents who are not U.S. citizens, or to parents either of which is a U.S. citizen, you are a U.S. citizen by birth.
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I never said he wasn’t an American citizen..

His mother Stanley Ann Dunham was an American citizen with American citizen parents..

In the article Al Moore had said “He (BHO) was a natural born American on the date of his birth..”

and I said “No he wasn’t”

It takes TWO American citizen parents to make ONE natural born American..

since SAD was not an illegal alien, nor a registered alien but an American citizen when Obama Junior was born he is an American citizen but not a “completed” American..

He is not a natural born American..

and therefore he is not eligible to be president...

[Tennessee Nana]

a 14-year-old U.S. citizen mother etc
_____________________________________

SAD was not old enough when he was born to give him this status..

she would have had to be 19..

she wasn’t...

[centurion316]

It takes TWO American citizen parents to make ONE natural born American..

This must be a birther thread. So say you and so say many, many birthers lo these many years. Two American citizens parents. Yessiree. We have spoken. It is so.

The only problem is that the opinions of those that count don't agree. So you are stuck bashing your head against a wall insisting that your opinion is right and the world goes on ignoring you. You are kind of like that guy on True Detectives living in your little bayou fantasy land.

[Nero Germanicus]

There have been nineteen judicial decisions on Obama’s eligibility in which the ruling stated that he is a natural born citizen. There has been no court ruling finding that he is not a natural born citizen in six years of trying and 220 lawsuits. Here are the key sentences from three of them:
Farrar et. al., Welden, Swensson and Powell v Obama: “For the purposes of this analysis, the Court considered that Barack Obama was born in the United States. Therefore, as discussed in Ankeny, he became a citizen at birth and is a natural born citizen. Accordingly, President Barack Obama is eligible as a candidate for the presidential primary under O.C.G.A. under Section 21-2-5(b). February 3, 2012

Allen v Obama, Arizona Superior Court Judge Richard E. Gordon: “Arizona courts are bound by United States Supreme Court precedent in construing the United States Constitution, and this precedent fully supports that President Obama is a natural born citizen under the Constitution and thus qualified to hold the office of President. Contrary to Plaintiff’s assertion, Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162 (1874), does not hold otherwise.”—Pima County Superior Court, Tuscon, Arizona, March 7, 2012

Purpura & Moran v Obama: New Jersey Administrative Law Judge Jeff S. Masin: “No court, federal, state or administrative, has accepted the challengers’ position that Mr. Obama is not a “natural born Citizen” due to the acknowledged fact that his father was born in Kenya and was a British citizen by virtue of the then applicable British Nationality Act. Nor has the fact that Obama had, or may have had, dual citizenship at the time of his birth and thereafter been held to deny him the status of natural born. It is unnecessary to reinvent the wheel here. … The petitioners’ legal position on this issue, however well intentioned, has no merit in law. Thus, accepting for the point of this issue that Mr. Obama was born in Hawaii, he is a ‘natural born Citizen’ regardless of the status of his father.” April 10, 2012