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Why men are withdrawing from courtship.
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Posted on 11/16/2013 5:37:57 AM PST by ClaytonP

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To: ClaytonP

fortunately for me, I found a great Christian girl when I was 18 and she 17. We got married a year and a day after we met. 24 years later we’re still married. I credit Christ and the fact that we immediately moved overseas to for the first couple of years to grow up together. We had very little meddling from family and old friends.

That being said, I have seen countless friends wind up divorced. The common denominator in each divorce is selfishness, on one side or both. Either way, selfishness will destroy a relationship like nothing else. If the person you are dating shows a pattern of selfish behavior or selfish attitudes about anything, RUN. If you see a pattern of expectation of quid pro quo, RUN.


41 posted on 11/16/2013 6:28:58 AM PST by EricT. (Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength. Big brother is watching you.)
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To: ClaytonP
A young man told me that he felt women used him just to go out to a nice place at his expense. So he decided when he asks a girl out for dinner, then he says ‘sorry but my funds are temporally low right now so it will have to be at Wendys’. If she declines he knows she wanted something more than to be with him. If she offers to buy the meal he might have a keeper. ;.)
42 posted on 11/16/2013 6:29:14 AM PST by virgil283 (When the sun spins, the cross appears, and the skies burn red)
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To: ClaytonP
If this is so, it's too bad. It's been a long time since I was in the market...so to speak. Nevertheless, it isn't so long ago that I forgot the fun and anticipation of getting to know a lass. I guess it's a process that two can use to move all but one to the side lines.

It's a fun process. At least it was.

43 posted on 11/16/2013 6:30:25 AM PST by stevem
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To: JRandomFreeper

And the transmission in your bathtub!


44 posted on 11/16/2013 6:30:31 AM PST by txhurl
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To: JRandomFreeper

I’ll stick with being single and having peace and serenity in my living space.
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Seriesly - One can choose to be either lonely or extremely annoyed.


45 posted on 11/16/2013 6:32:14 AM PST by atc23 (The Confederacy was the single greatest conservative resistance to federal authority ever.)
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To: FAA
My nephew , your age, has the same problem.

He tried online dating. He said 50% of the women put 50 Shades of Grey as their favorite book. He said he instantly ruled them out.

WTF is wrong with women today?

46 posted on 11/16/2013 6:33:07 AM PST by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: txhurl
The transmission project was finished long ago. I've moved on to other projects.

Did you know that it takes a large blank wall to design a large fractal antenna array with aluminum foil and tape?

But the bandwidth of the antenna is amazing.

It looks sorta like modern art. ;)

/johnny

47 posted on 11/16/2013 6:34:30 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: ClaytonP

I’m in my early ‘50s, and have always been single. While I occasionally contemplate what it would be like to be married, to this day I’ve been on a total of two dates. I’m simply not “into” being in a relationship.


48 posted on 11/16/2013 6:35:05 AM PST by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: atc23
I am never lonely. I spent much of my life either married or dating, but never alone. I've been lonlier when I lived with someone.

Alone doesn't have to equal lonely.

/johnny

49 posted on 11/16/2013 6:36:38 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Hardastarboard

And man’s best friend is a dog.

Put your dog and your girlfriend/wife in the trunk of your car. Come back an hour later. Who’s happy to see you...?


50 posted on 11/16/2013 6:36:50 AM PST by Biff55 (If you run too far from the Alliance you end up in Reaver territory.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Hahaha...that was funny, CC.

And I can offer no answers to the above..It’s way too long of a story. ;-)


51 posted on 11/16/2013 6:38:07 AM PST by SueRae (It isn't over. In God We Trust.)
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To: EricT.
Eric-"The common denominator in each divorce is selfishness" ...you sir are awarded a gold star and your comments shall be posted on the refrigerator for a whole month!....Good words and true...
52 posted on 11/16/2013 6:38:27 AM PST by virgil283 (When the sun spins, the cross appears, and the skies burn red)
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To: MaxMax
Two words, family court.

Right there. Not even a pre-nump can spare a guy in this day when all the woman has to do is get a pro-bono lawyer who works "the law" and it costs the guy $20,000.00 in court to defend himself.(meanwhile the pro-bono writes off his/her time and gets a very handy savings at tax time). Family court is evil and made more evil by the "no-fault".

53 posted on 11/16/2013 6:41:32 AM PST by Ghost of SVR4 (So many are so hopelessly dependent on the government that they will fight to protect it.)
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To: Uncle Chip; 9YearLurker
I think we now see why American men search overseas for their wives. ______________________________________________________ As well, why single American menmove overseas. Single American women in their 20's and 30's are single for a reason. The cultural trend in America for women is increasingly focused on how it is accepted for them to be drunks and drug addicts.

Serious minded American men see the trend and choose to not invest resources in "catching" something

54 posted on 11/16/2013 6:43:43 AM PST by atc23 (The Confederacy was the single greatest conservative resistance to federal authority ever.)
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To: ClaytonP
If you focus your courtship efforts on women who have little or no exposure to American popular culture (and desire none in the future), your odds of success will go way, way up. Many of the issues discussed in this pseudo-scientific article will simply never occur.

The average man isn't qualified to de-program sociopaths, but he can avoid them easily enough as long as the big head does the thinking. :)

55 posted on 11/16/2013 6:48:41 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: All

Here is one perspective: http://www.mgtow.com/


56 posted on 11/16/2013 6:49:05 AM PST by MCF
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To: ClaytonP

I look hopelessly on this current young generation. Watching my stepson and the types of women he’s been with has been exasperating. Today’s young women may expect men to court them, but the caliber of “woman” has really degraded as well.

No wonder these young guys expect sex when so many are just total ho-bags (thank you so much modern popular culture!).


57 posted on 11/16/2013 6:50:14 AM PST by Thorliveshere (Minnesota Survivor)
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To: ClaytonP; Revolting cat!
Who says courtship is dead?


58 posted on 11/16/2013 6:54:50 AM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: atc23

Todays women are driven to satisfy their maternal instincts and then park their kids with some third person while they go off to do whatever they want while the kids grow up practically motherless or viewing the man in their life as some lower class of life.


59 posted on 11/16/2013 7:00:24 AM PST by JayAr36 (When an American dies Obama lies. And lies, and lies and lies forever.)
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To: ClaytonP

We could head of bunch of these problems at the pass if we only practiced bundling like they did in colonial America!

What is ‘bundling’ you ask?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundling_%28tradition%29

Bundling, or tarrying, was the traditional practice of wrapping one person in a bed accompanied by another, usually as a part of courting behavior. The tradition is thought to have originated either in the Netherlands or in the British Isles and later became common in Colonial America,[1][2] especially in Pennsylvania Dutch Country. When used for courtship, the aim was to allow intimacy without sexual intercourse.

Traditionally, participants were adolescents, with a boy staying at the residence of a girl. They were given separate blankets by the girl’s parents and expected to talk to one another through the night. The practice was limited to the winter and sometimes the use of a bundling board, placed between the boy and girl, ensured that no sexual conduct would take place.

By word of mouth from Victorian times: In Buckinghamshire (England) it is understood the practice involved each of the young people being put into a sack, or bag, which was tied closed at their neck. They were then allowed to sleep together, each in their own sack. They could cuddle one another, but that was as far as they could go. The practice was not limited to the time of the year and was not uncommon during the 19th century. No doubt this was also practiced in other counties in England.

In colonial America bundling was condemned by Jonathan Edwards and other preachers.[3]

The practice of bundling continued in the early United States, where in the case of a scarcity of beds, travelers were occasionally permitted to bundle with locals. This seemingly strange practice allowed extra money to be made by renting out half a bed. Hotels rented rooms for the night, shared by many occupants, and sharing a bed entailed an additional fee.

As late as the mid-19th century, there are indications that bundling was still practiced in New England, although its popularity was waning. The court case of Graham v. Smith, 1 Edm.Sel.Cas. 267 (N.Y. 1846), initially argued before Judge Edmunds in the Orange Circuit Court of New York, concerned the seduction of a 19-year-old woman. Testimony in the case established that bundling was a common practice in certain rural social circles at the time. By the 20th century, bundling as a practice seemed to have died out almost everywhere, with only isolated references to it occurring in Amish Pennsylvania.[4]


Now I have to wonder from where did that phrase, “little bundle of joy” originate?


60 posted on 11/16/2013 7:07:37 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; me = independent conservative)
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