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Expert: At least 129M will ‘not be able to keep’ health care plan if Obamacare fully implemented
Daily Caller ^ | November 4, 2013 | Jamie Weinstein

Posted on 11/04/2013 12:31:42 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

If Obamacare is fully implemented, 68 percent of Americans with private health insurance will not be able to keep their plan, according to health care economist Christopher Conover.

Conover is a research scholar in the Center for Health Policy & Inequalities Research at Duke University and an adjunct scholar at the American Enterprise Institute. In an interview with The Daily Caller, he laid out what he estimates the consequences of Obamacare’s implementation will ultimately be.

“Bottom line: of the 189 million Americans with private health insurance coverage, I estimate that if Obamacare is fully implemented, at least 129 million (68 percent) will not be able to keep their previous health care plan either because they already have lost or will lose that coverage by the end of 2014,” he said in an email. ”But of these, ‘only’ the 18 to 50 million will literally lose coverage, i.e., have their plans entirely taken away. This includes 9.2-15.4 million in the non-group market and 9-35 million in the employer-based market. The rest will retain their old plans but have to pay higher rates for Obamacare-mandated bells and whistles.”

Conover also says it is hard to imagine President Obama didn’t know these statistics when he was flacking for his health care bill by promising Americans they could keep their health insurance if they liked it.

“If President Obama himself believed this the first time he said it, he was poorly advised,” Conover said.

“The problem is that he said it at least 24 times, most of which occurred after his own rule-writers had estimated that 49-80 percent of small employer plans would have lost their grandfather status by 2013, along with 34-64 percent of large employer plans. The same rule estimated that each year 40 to 67 percent of non-group plans not already grandfathered would lose their grandfather status. Given how extensively presidential statements — especially to a joint session of Congress — are vetted and fact-checked, it is pretty inconceivable that President Obama was not aware that he was engaged in some degree of truth-twisting.”

[Read] TheDC’s full interview with Conover.....


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; Health/Medicine; Politics
KEYWORDS: abortion; aca; deathpanels; economy; healthcare; obamacare; obamalied; zerocare
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1 posted on 11/04/2013 12:31:42 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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High Deductibles Chase the Middle Class from Health Services "In a recent conversation, a good buddy enraged by his new private insurance premiums and $5,800-per-year deductible said something that struck me as undoubtedly prophetic.

"I'd literally need to be dying before I would start paying this ridiculous deductible for routine care."

Under ObamaCare, those who work for a living incur massive premium and deductible increases to subsidize those that cannot or will not provide their own insurance. In the universe of ObamaCare, unless you are among the privileged dependency class that enjoys free health care, gone are the days when cautionary calls can be made to the doctor because a child has a stomachache or bad cough, because such calls will cost you five hundred bucks or so.

As with so many utopian policies of the progressive Left, ObamaCare is rife with unintended consequences that inflict pernicious pain and damage on society............"

2 posted on 11/04/2013 12:33:15 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Well, in a country of 7 billion, that’s not really that many, is it? Oh, wait...


3 posted on 11/04/2013 12:52:31 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Ted Cruz/Sarah Palin 2016)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The ultimate pain will be summer and fall of 2014....when folks walk in and need treatment.....to find that their deductible is now $5,000 instead of the $1,500 usual. And their Christmas allowance for Xmas of 2014 will be half of what it is currently.

The President won’t be able to explain the economics of this plus-up deal and the election of November 2014 will be a harsh reality for the Democrats.

Imagine this President waking up in January of 2015, and having 60 Republican Senators and a majority of Republican Representatives...and trying to invent some new chaos on his own.


4 posted on 11/04/2013 1:06:53 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: pepsionice; 2ndDivisionVet; All
The Obamamedia will be working overtime to make any Obamacare problems the fault of the Tea Party "wing" of the GOP.

They're getting their marching orders as we "speak."

Obama [stumping for McAullife]: "While Congress can "get away with" gridlock, Obama said, a governor can not.

"The governor, that's a practical job," Obama said, adding, "They can not afford to be ideologues.".....

McAullife [stumping in VA gubernatorial race]: "Can you even imagine if Ted Cruz, Ken Cuccinelli and the Tea Party ran Virginia government?"............."If mainstream Virginians from both parties don’t turn out to vote, you’re letting the Tea Party decide Virginia’s future."

Rep. Jim Moran, D-Va [stumping for McAullife]: "We need more Ted Cruzes like we need a hole in the head,"..

5 posted on 11/04/2013 1:15:33 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

All part of the plan.

Surely no one among FreepeRs thinks for a moment that 0bama actually wanted the system to work the way he said it would work. That he actually wanted to provide good healthcare to us peasants.


6 posted on 11/04/2013 1:16:26 AM PST by LegendHasIt
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“Some degree of truth twisting”. Uh, does that mean he “lied”?


7 posted on 11/04/2013 1:20:49 AM PST by Old Retired Army Guy
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Obama told us that you can “Have it your way,” but what he did was give us a Whopper.


8 posted on 11/04/2013 1:21:48 AM PST by D Rider
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To: Old Retired Army Guy

“Truth twisting” is a step-up from yesterday’s oft used “he misspoke” — a preferred journalistic construct being employed so as not to come right out and say he LIED!

Misspoke:

deceive

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bs

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delude

dissemble

dissimulate

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dupe

equivocate

exaggerate

fabricate

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forswear

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invent

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misguide

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misspeak

misstate

overdraw

palter

perjure

pervert

phony

plant

prevaricate

snow

soft-soap

victimize

be untruthful

bear false witness

break promise

go back on

make believe

misinstruct

put on

put up a front

http://thesaurus.com/browse/misspoke


9 posted on 11/04/2013 1:31:30 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The White House Press Corps should serenade Obama with “You cheated, You lied. You said that you loved me”.


10 posted on 11/04/2013 1:53:27 AM PST by Old Retired Army Guy
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To: Old Retired Army Guy

Remember how the Clinton Media LOVED that Bill Clinton could “get away” with all that he did?


11 posted on 11/04/2013 1:59:41 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

129 million? I doubt in their wildest dreams they though it would be so successful in further bringing America down to the level where they can rule it.


12 posted on 11/04/2013 2:06:11 AM PST by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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129 million? I doubt in their wildest dreams they though it would be so successful in further bringing America down to the level where they can rule it.

Actually, that number is going to scare the living daylights out of them.

They were expecting a gradual slope, over years, into single-payer (IMHO a system where the government would "pay" the insurance companies to provide coverage. Keeping the insurance companies in business while ensuring their continued financial support to Dems by making them yet another dependent). One that would be driven by a slow decline in ObamaCare

They did not anticipate that the thing was going to collapse this quickly - where the collapse can be clearly tied to, blamed on, ObamaCare itself and not the insurance companies. The Dems current plan of rolling out the anti-insurance company attacks early are being laughed at.

We'll see what the landscape is like on Wednesday morning. If we wake up and Cuccinelli has won in VA - heck, if he's just come within a few points in losing when he was double digits back last week - the vulnerable Dems, particularly in the Senate, are going to smell the coming tsunami and will be freaking out.
13 posted on 11/04/2013 3:16:07 AM PST by tanknetter
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I can hear the spin now from the progressives:

"We(our rulers) let the 'people' have the 'freedom' to 'choose' their health care plan under the ACA and almost none of them signed up. This goes to show that people will not do the 'right' thing on their own and in this case single payer is now the only option".

14 posted on 11/04/2013 3:24:26 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

A little bird just told me that the Center for Health Policy & Inequalities Research at Duke University ain’t gonna receive no more government grants or contracts for the next three years.


15 posted on 11/04/2013 3:24:52 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: LegendHasIt
But a secret plan outed before its fruition isn't a secret any more.
16 posted on 11/04/2013 3:26:08 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
There is no way individual medical care, as existed into the 1980s when HMOs started, will ever recover. All of these initiatives are about public health, not about meeting individual differences.

For individuals, it';s going to be important to get good books about nutrition, symptoms and home cures, healthy lifestyle and first aid. Follow them and don't get sick. If one gets sick, it might be necessary to heal thyself.

Besides the immediate problems, research and innovation in medicine will disappear. With government mandates in place standardizing how every situation will be handled, there will be no profit motive for inventing new stuff.

We're all part of a collective now, not individuals. I'm buying those books...while they're still available.

17 posted on 11/04/2013 3:35:29 AM PST by grania
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Crackers lose their insurance. So what."

18 posted on 11/04/2013 3:54:34 AM PST by Diogenesis
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To: tanknetter
.... We'll see what the landscape is like on Wednesday morning. If we wake up and Cuccinelli has won in VA - heck, if he's just come within a few points in losing when he was double digits back last week - the vulnerable Dems, particularly in the Senate, are going to smell the coming tsunami and will be freaking out.......

Bump!

19 posted on 11/04/2013 3:55:59 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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20 posted on 11/04/2013 5:01:04 AM PST by Hotlanta Mike ("Governing a great nation is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu)
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