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Boston lockdown: The new normal?
The Politico ^ | April 20, 2013 | Josh Gerstein and Darren Samuelsohn

Posted on 04/20/2013 1:15:39 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

The unprecedented manhunt in Boston that concluded successfully Friday night earned law enforcement authorities the gratitude of the nation.

But as relief replaces fear, the debate about what this episode means for the future is already beginning. And one of the most unsettling questions is whether the violence-related lockdown of a major U.S. city — an extraordinary moment in American history — sets a life-altering precedent.

There are already worries that the effort to protect the people of Boston contained an element of overreaction. Local authorities told the city and nearby suburbs to “shelter in place” throughout the day and into the evening. They closed businesses, shuttered government buildings and suspended all public transportation in the metro area.

That decision concerned some political leaders and policy experts.

Former Sen. Jeff Bingaman (D-N.M.) said it is “hard to imagine what could justify directing the entire population of the city to ‘shelter in place.’”

Rep. Dutch Ruppersberger of Maryland, the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, stopped short of directly criticizing the decision, but he lamented the development as a win of sorts for terrorists....

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TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: boston; bostonbombing; bostonmarathon; counterterrorism; leo; martiallaw; terrorism; tsarnaev
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To: napscoordinator
I think Boston did the best they could with the situation they had. Of course armchair quarterbacks will condemn the decision, but I think it was brilliant and a 100 percent success! Congrats to the entire city of Boston!!! What a first rate city!

"armchair quarterbacks" exactly, these are the same people who would have been pissing their pants if they were in Watertown yesterday.

81 posted on 04/20/2013 2:29:31 PM PDT by rockabyebaby (We are sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo screwed!)
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To: MarMema

As I thought.

Thank you.


82 posted on 04/20/2013 2:29:44 PM PDT by Roccus
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Today Larry Kudlow had Washington DC, former US Attorney Joe DiGenova on his radio show and DiGenova laid the blame for the FBI cutting the terrorist brother loose directly on Obama and his policy of Muslim appeasement.


83 posted on 04/20/2013 2:31:10 PM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt
It would have been interesting if someone had resisted the police search without a warrant.

That would be interesting. While I am not anti-law enforcement, I am neutral, no LEO is going to enter my home without a warrant. But neighborhood is probably a lot different than Watertown. I think my local police would be understanding, even State police from the area, but not the local police from Harrisburg which is 7 miles away from me.

84 posted on 04/20/2013 2:32:32 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA (Molon Labe - Shall not be questioned)
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To: La Lydia

Remember...... I am not a dictator?


85 posted on 04/20/2013 2:33:43 PM PDT by free from tyranny
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
This is a tough one for me.

I see the question as one of either a forced martial law ordering people to stay home, or a reasoned request for people to stay off the streets to help aid in the manhunt.

Let's start with the latter.

The people of Boston took great pride in their annual marathon. As a society, they would naturally want to do whatever they could to help the city and state to capture the criminals. By asking people to stay off the streets, then anyone who is out on the streets would stand out and attract suspicion. As long as the stay request doesn't drag on forever, most people would support this as a short-term effort to smoke out the bombers.

Regarding the former, a city-wide curfew order that criminalized being found on the street would not sit well for most citizens. A governor might get away with it once in an extreme situation (like the marathon bombing), but it can't become a go-to tool for anything the governor wants. People won't accept being under effective house-arrest because a kidnapper is on the loose, or a bank was robbed or building burned.

-PJ

86 posted on 04/20/2013 2:41:17 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: Political Junkie Too

>> People won’t accept being under effective house-arrest because a kidnapper is on the loose, or a bank was robbed or building burned.<<

But they WILL let a freeway get shut down for 12 hours if there is a fatal accident.


87 posted on 04/20/2013 2:42:49 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (LBJ declared war on poverty and lost. Barack Obama declared war on prosperity and won. /csmusaret)
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To: Crim

Thanks. Chechen terrorists are as scary as it gets.


88 posted on 04/20/2013 2:44:19 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: freedumb2003
A freeway is a public place; a person's home is not.

I think the difference is that the freeway is considered a crime scene (or accident), and they need to gather forensic evidence. Either that, or they need to remove the body and clean up the site.

I'm not sure what else can be done in a situation like that.

-PJ

89 posted on 04/20/2013 2:45:54 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: andyk; 2ndDivisionVet

Are there reasons why the U.S. Government has stood by watched tens of millions enter our country illegally?

Are there reasons why the U.S. Government allowed hundreds of thousands of Muslims into the U.S., during and after wars in Muslim countries?

Why do our immigration policies allow for this after 911 and other events?

It seems clear, the U.S. government is attempting to create additional security problems in the U.S.

What is motive for this?


90 posted on 04/20/2013 2:47:18 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Zeneta
We had the snipers running around the DC Metro area and did not get this type of Police response.

DC response became more energetic after the DC snipers shot an FBI analyst near the end of their campaign.

Boston saw a dramatically bigger response after the brothers killed a police officer and wounded another.

Consider the resources deployed to hunt down Christopher Dorner, versus somebody who just murders regular civilians

. It makes one wonder what would happen, nationwide, if there was a repeat of the DC sniper campaign, only targeting police, and over a wide area.

91 posted on 04/20/2013 2:48:48 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I think this is kind of a Boston thing. Didn’t the movie “The Next Three Days” touch on this?


92 posted on 04/20/2013 2:57:28 PM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: PapaBear3625

My point that I think needs to be considered, is what would happen if we had multiple events in multiple cities with multiple dangerous suspects “at large” ?

What would the response be ?

How would the Gov’t/police influence the media and the populace ?

You must admit that, as an objective observer, it doesn’t take much to not only shut down a city, but also establish control.


93 posted on 04/20/2013 2:58:27 PM PDT by Zeneta (No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn.)
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To: Travis McGee
Dang, that second image looks like one of the early scenes in the new Red Dawn.


94 posted on 04/20/2013 2:59:06 PM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I can’t believe this is on Politico. Its usually so lefty.


95 posted on 04/20/2013 3:00:14 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: rockabyebaby
"armchair quarterbacks" exactly, these are the same people who would have been pissing their pants if they were in Watertown yesterday.



Had some CIVILIAN not gone outside, the perp, who breached the LEO's perimeter, would of bled to death, lol.

Also, apprehension of the older brother was sloppy to say the least (Police shooting their wad with an Islamic sociopath, of course the LEOs/civilians are prevented from thinking that) plus MA guns laws turn their citizens into sitting ducks (Maybe your only point, but most freepers would probably have gone through the hassle to arm themselves).

Had this happened in San Antonio, I would have no problem going outside with a Glock in check (Maybe quit electing incompetent totalitarians perhaps one might feel safer in MA).

Of course, I faced IDF several times in my life and made peace with the Risen Lord, so apologies if I sound insincere.
96 posted on 04/20/2013 3:12:23 PM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: Roccus
What happened to all the rounds that missed their mark?

I'd like to see what that boat Terrorist #2 was in looks like after taking 200 rounds. One cop was hit, attributed to Terrorist #2.

97 posted on 04/20/2013 3:14:54 PM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: Zeneta
"How would the Gov’t/police influence the media and the populace ?"

Stay inside (Which is smart for the most part) and remember Islam is not to blame, the infidels who take the free market and Judea/Christian values seriously are.
98 posted on 04/20/2013 3:18:51 PM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: rollo tomasi

OK, so when there is a dangerous suspect running around your neighborhood and the Media/Police tell you to stay indoors, do you comply ?

For how long should you comply ?

Do you allow the police into your home to conduct a search ?

Do you look to the Police/Gov’t for permission to go to work ?

Do you wait for the “all clear” so you can buy food ?

All I wanted to suggest was how easy it would be for the “state” to impose martial law without actually declaring it.

The triggers may or may not be legitimate, however the reaction by an established police force and media have been set. They, the police/gov’t/media are on auto pilot.


99 posted on 04/20/2013 3:33:58 PM PDT by Zeneta (No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn.)
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To: rockabyebaby
exactly, these are the same people who would have been pissing their pants if they were in Watertown yesterday.

LOL! you're delusional. The streets are dangerous in every metropolitan area. Why not just have perpetual martial law? Oh wait, that what this was practice for. I

Overreaction is an understatement. This was a grotesque show of power , (we are in charge, you are not, peons!!)If anyone's home was entered by LEOs under duress or intimidation , the city should be sued big time.

100 posted on 04/20/2013 3:42:47 PM PDT by southern rock
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