Posted on 03/18/2013 9:51:01 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
Writing in the Wall Street Journal, Kay Hymowitz posits the following conclusion regarding the current culture of masculinity in the United States:
Not so long ago, the average American man in his 20s had achieved most of the milestones of adulthood: a high-school diploma, financial independence, marriage and children. Today, most men in their 20s hang out in a novel sort of limbo, a hybrid state of semi-hormonal adolescence and responsible self-reliance. This “pre-adulthood” has much to recommend it, especially for the college-educated. But it’s time to state what has become obvious to legions of frustrated young women: It doesn’t bring out the best in men.
As someone who is personally putting his twenties behind him, finally finding a certain degree of success in the line of work I’ve been struggling to break into for half a decade and happily occupied in a serious relationship, let me be the first to say that Hymowitz is categorically correct in her summation of the situation.
Painfully so, in fact. This one hits a little too close to home.....
(Excerpt) Read more at acculturated.com ...
I agree that we need to figure out how to create a system where everybody contributes into it, instead of feeding off of it.
I thought u were the man
I can usually tell
Boy am i stupid
My wife did what u did
Anyhow
Back in my day
Give me some time with a genuine hot fembot....rare i know and without exception they would confess they hated being under my spell....a real man who desired them unabashedly and opened doors and said honey and darling
Alpha and they sorta surrendered best they could
And they liked it...felt secure and wanted
Wanted to get pregnant and all that
Its in all women truly
Feminism for anyone but lesbians and ugly women is a delusion
They want a man...a real one
Hell they make movies about this....Swept Away...the original
Husbands and Lovers...lol
Shakespeare even got it....
Yes, but women like you are becoming increasingly rare these days. Most women demand very different things, fueled by all the humanist sociology bs that spews out of the universities and the TV. And men of course adapt to that.
Exactly right.
Amen to that. Women can start putting their clothes back on. Men will not compete against women, nor will they compete against a culture that has become so repulsively feminized.
Financially independent of their parents; being able to sustain themselves without subsidy.
Because government granted a monopoly to certain corporations that are “accredited”. Otherwise, you’re completely correct.
The education establishment is just a group of crony capitalists protecting their pile.
White male = shut up, suffer, pay, pay more, and be despised for not paying enough.
A lot of the posters on this thread apparently did not read the original article by Hymowitz:
What explains this puerile shallowness? I see it as an expression of our cultural uncertainty about the social role of men. It's been an almost universal rule of civilization that girls became women simply by reaching physical maturity, but boys had to pass a test. They needed to demonstrate courage, physical prowess or mastery of the necessary skills. The goal was to prove their competence as protectors and providers. Today, however, with women moving ahead in our advanced economy, husbands and fathers are now optional, and the qualities of character men once needed to play their roles—fortitude, stoicism, courage, fidelity—are obsolete, even a little embarrassing.
Today's pre-adult male is like an actor in a drama in which he only knows what he shouldn't say. He has to compete in a fierce job market, but he can't act too bossy or self-confident. He should be sensitive but not paternalistic, smart but not cocky. To deepen his predicament, because he is single, his advisers and confidants are generally undomesticated guys just like him.
Single men have never been civilization's most responsible actors; they continue to be more troubled and less successful than men who deliberately choose to become husbands and fathers. So we can be disgusted if some of them continue to live in rooms decorated with "Star Wars" posters and crushed beer cans and to treat women like disposable estrogen toys, but we shouldn't be surprised.
Relatively affluent, free of family responsibilities, and entertained by an array of media devoted to his every pleasure, the single young man can live in pig heaven—and often does. Women put up with him for a while, but then in fear and disgust either give up on any idea of a husband and kids or just go to a sperm bank and get the DNA without the troublesome man. But these rational choices on the part of women only serve to legitimize men's attachment to the sand box. Why should they grow up? No one needs them anyway. There's nothing they have to do.
They might as well just have another beer.
If you're young and sexy, maybe I'll come over to Texas and bake you a cherry pie right now - ))
“I would suggest that a major reason Men Are no longer men is because Women will not allow it.”..............
The problem the writer discusses is very real - and unfortunately there is a similar problem with modern women. They don’t behave like what was once thought to be normal behavior in women.
So, we are left with immature yong men, and with women who behave with no shame, are immodest, are not expected to be maternal in nature. Our crass culture trains our young girls even as early as 5 and 6 years of age to desire clothes that are suggestive, put on makeup at age 10, learn about how to do a BJ, and how to use contraceptives so as to be a W&#$e in training.
Then our culture yells about cigarettes causing great expences to out medical system; too much soft drinks are unhealthy, etc. Now, they may indeed be unhealthy, but WHAT ABOUT THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM - PROMISCUITY???
It is extremely unhealthy and expensive to our health systems. It keeps our young people as slaves to their natural appetites, and really does put pressure upon young people to be promiscuous.
Why should we be surprsed when young men are immature when young women have been trained/forced to put out at no cost to these men?
Modern society (American society) revels in its ignorance of the scientific and the spiritual.
I've found that women and men that cannot grasp cooking will often claim that it is "beneath" them when the truth is that they're just not smart enough to do it.
Have to have that 4000 square foot house. Have to have the BMW and Suburban. Have to be beautiful. Have to have the vacation in Barbados. And have to have them right away. You don’t have them? You’re falling behind! Husband and wife work. Damn the kids! You need stuff! Hugh Heffner, Hollywood and Madison Avenue have us chasing our tails.
Yes, and another big factor is that we’ve destroyed marriage as a institution. The author foolishly expects men to continue to aspire to that ideal, when it doesn’t exist anymore. It would be as if our test of manhood was a guy owning five slaves by the end of his twenties, and then judging modern men as deficient. Ludicrous.
BINGO!!
Government and its' ilk on every level understood this. If they could destroy marriage and the traditional family they would make the populace more needy of government.
By teaching people to cater to just their baser needs (sex, food, fun) then the Government could basically do whatever it wanted to do as long as it supplied the ingredients for those base instincts and nothing more.
Destroying women by teaching them it is not only OK but great to bed flop, and keeping men on their heels by ever changing rules and laws regarding their interactions with females, allows Government to wipe out our freedoms and liberties.
That's what the shooter gaming world is like now. Call of Duty reigns supreme, and damn the SOCOM crowd.
They're out there. Sometimes we guys just look in all the wrong places and wind up believing the good ones are all gone.
Well, I’m going to have to keep looking till I find one who’s not got 17 kiddos in tow with different daddies and who likes me. :)
The second part is the really hard part!
That’s very true. Women who can’t cook usually refuse to do so.
As I said up-thread, my depression-era grandparents raised me. My grandfather encouraged my interest in power tools. He built seven houses from the ground up in his lifetime and my grandmother was right there beside him nailing sheetrock and shingles. I do all of my own home repair and maintenance because that’s how I was raised.
But Grandpa also demanded that I learn how to cook alongside my grandmother. I’ll never forget the conversation we had right before my first lesson in making “the perfect flaky pie crust.” I complained that “those things come pre-made now, Papa. I don’t need to know that stuff.” He got red in the face and pointed his finger in mine. “And just what are you gonna do if hard times come your way and you can’t buy a pre-made pie crust, missy?” I shrugged realizing I wasn’t as smart as I thought. “Go on. Get in the kitchen, missy. You’ll be of no use to any man if you can’t make a good pie crust!”
I had the best parents on planet earth.
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