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1 posted on 12/24/2012 5:45:31 PM PST by umgud
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Can we stop mass murders???....Sure....outlaw abortion!!

I get so angry that no one stops this. What's wrong with America.

Our moral fiber has been politicized away.

2 posted on 12/24/2012 5:49:15 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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“I hate to be a killjoy (I know, a poor choice of words), but I’m not sure we can put into place actions to stop mass murderers that will work.”

That is because there isn’t one. And turning our nation into a totalitarian state in an effort to create a perfectly safe society is only asking for even greater mass murders still.


3 posted on 12/24/2012 5:49:41 PM PST by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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No.

The fact is that mass shootings in schools are a tiny fraction of a percentage. Other shootings in schools is also a pretty low number and usually confined to inner city schools.

Some Detroit schools have armed security and metal detectors and they still have a few gang shootings per year. Rather than cut down on the shootings they’ve mostly just moved to places like bus stops.

The only effective deterrent is to remove the gun free zones altogether and leave the potential threats guessing. However, nuts will always be nuts and some will always get through.


5 posted on 12/24/2012 5:55:58 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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Yes we can, we just have to imprison everyone, a prison planet police state is a safe state.....


7 posted on 12/24/2012 5:56:25 PM PST by GraceG
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With a congress that refuses to enforce the laws we already have on the books and a all but open borders that invite smuggling...sure, you bet we can stop mass shootings. All we need is more laws.


8 posted on 12/24/2012 5:57:13 PM PST by Baynative
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Didn’t stop Jim Jones, Lizzie Borden or the deaths of 800,000 Rowandans by machette.

I could list more but why....


10 posted on 12/24/2012 6:14:17 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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I haven't researched any time frames, but it seems that there are more mass shootings when we have a Democrat President. Nearly all mass shootings occur in gun free zones.

If we would stop electing Democrat presidents, eliminate all gun free zones, and overturn all laws that restrict concealed carry, I suspect there would be far less attempted mass shootings.

11 posted on 12/24/2012 6:14:24 PM PST by c-b 1 (Reporting from behind enemy lines, in occupied AZTLAN.)
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No, but we can enact policies that will mitigate the damage.


12 posted on 12/24/2012 6:20:36 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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Two things to consider...

From the same FBI stats: Approximately 6,000 of these murders were with pistols. No Assault Weapons (whatever that means) ban would impact this.

More importantly, Nidal Malik Hasan (Ft Hood shooter), should not be on this list. The Fort Hood shootings were an act of war, not a criminal act.

15 posted on 12/24/2012 6:30:03 PM PST by MS from the OC (Obama taking credit for killing OBL is like Nixon taking credit for landing on the moon, John Bolton)
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I'm 61 years old now and can remember leaving the doors unlocked and the keys in the car. We all had guns, well, at least most of us.

My dad was from the WWII era and taught me early gun safety. When he was growing up during the depression, he was the one bringing home the meat for the family when he was so small, he could barely hold his fathers Browning 12 ga shotgun up to his shoulder. He was only allowed 2 shells cause the cost too much. If he missed, his father chewed him out to be more careful. I heard the story many times of my uncle shooting ducks with a .22 because the shells were cheaper.

We prayed in school and read Bible verses even if you didn't believe. We convicted our criminals and even rape was a death sentence in Texas at the time. I never knew of or ever saw any pictures of anyone burning an American flag. I rode my bicycle down to the Sears store to buy my first rifle, a 7.62 Russian mouser. I was about 11 and rode my bike with the rifle slung over my shoulder down the main street of town and nobody thought anything about it. My father taught me to shoot safely with a .22, then a shotgun( the same one he used as a child and the same his father used). and then his 6.5mm Swedish Mouser. He took me hunting and showed me how to skin and butcher meat. We also fished and had a shrimp net and he taught me boating safety and how to work on engines. I rebuilt my first Briggs and Stratton at about age 9. My first car was a '57 nash with no battery and about 3 spare tires at .50 cents each. The battery was so dead, I had to park on a incline to start it later. I was 16. Before that I had a Chushman scooter to deliver my papers and ride to school. I drove at 14.

The point is,......we have changed, and changed for the worse. Kids today are scary. They don't think like I did or any other American children did back then. When I have shown my weapons to my nephews, The first thing they do is point the weapons somewhere and pull the trigger. We end up in a fight and they don't like uncle chuckles anymore. No one has taught them ANYTHING. They are worse than idiots, it is borderline mental illness, if you ask me. They have no grasp of anything important. It's like they are 4 years old in a 15 year old body. They make fun of any car that is over 5 years old. They destroy perfectly usable items for the "fun" of it. I would have been beaten by my father if I acted as they do. The guns were over the TV and in plain sight, but I dare not even touch one without my father's say so until I was 13 or so. Today, They snoop till they find something, then act like 2 year old's till someone gets hurt.

America has lost something very dear, but it's difficult to put you finger right on it. It's the whole culture. I'm sure you can't pass one law that will fix any of it. Decades of abortion, homosexuality, and teaching that God is a myth, can't be turned around in a year.

16 posted on 12/24/2012 6:39:32 PM PST by chuckles
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There was a fellow interviewed on the radio soon after the shooting.

He was a guy who had basically studied these incidents for years. AFAIK, he was NOT a classical “psychologist”, just a writer/investigator.

He said that ALMOST TO A MAN, he had seen evidence (either writings the perp had done, or conversations the perp had had with others) that one of the main factors in the act was that the media would eat it up and report it night and day, endlessly.

So it was a way for these people to get their fifteen minutes of fame. An “in yur face” kind of act towards society, and they utilized the media to get their point across.

It wasn’t about killing lots of people, it was a way to get famous.


20 posted on 12/24/2012 6:53:55 PM PST by djf (Conservative values help the poor. Liberal values help them STAY poor!!!)
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We should start a War on Mass Shootings and form the Mass Shooting Enforcement Administration and name a czar of Mass Shootings and blah blah blah.


24 posted on 12/24/2012 7:29:07 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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Your analysis misses the situations which would have been a mass murder except that an armed citizen was present who confronted the shooter and ended the event. The best solution to stopping mass murders is increasing the number of people carrying a firearm with them in their daily activities.

For example, shortly after the attack in Connecticut an off duty police officer at a theater in Texas prevented another mass shooting by using his firearm.

The difference between a murder, and mass murder in almost every case is the presence of armed people that the shooter did not expect to be there - namely citizens with concealed carry weapons.

26 posted on 12/24/2012 8:10:44 PM PST by freeandfreezing
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28 posted on 12/24/2012 8:11:54 PM PST by baddog 219
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If you stopped all Mass Shootings, there would be more Mass Bombings.

If you stopped all Mass Bombings, there would be more Mass Arson.

If you stopped all Mass Arson, there would be more Mass Vehicular Homicide.

If you stopped all Vehicular Homicide, there would be more Mass Poisonings.

If you stopped all Mass Poisonings, there would be more....


29 posted on 12/24/2012 8:51:31 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (I don't Trust a Government that doesn't Trust me. How about you Comrade?)
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Make it illegal for politicians to have stock in the lucrative Zombie drugs - and bringing up the stark and undeniable connection between these phycotropic billions-a-years drugs will not be buried.

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http://vaccineliberationarmy.com/fox-news-school-shootings-caused-by-teens-on-anti-depressants/

30 posted on 12/24/2012 8:58:15 PM PST by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does - by their fruits)
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Apparently a big surprise for a lot of people:

Defense preparedness, is a major part of every individual's every day life on earth.

It always has been. It always will be.

Leftist, liberal, progressive, nationalizing socialist wishful, magical thinking, will not change that.

Rather, leftist, liberal, progressive, nationalizing socialist wishful, magical thinking, will produce what it has always produced:

a police state that puts people in cages, whether the cage is barbed wire or the cage is barbed political accusations spewing from the pulpits of Marx, Lenin, Gramsci, Alinsky, Obama and Holder et al, and the leftist/liberal "media" propaganda organs

... collectively known in the pained memories of the victims of socialism, as "The Ministry of Truth."

In which mystical contrivance by the present-day intellectuals not yet arrested by that police state - TO THEIR SURPRISE - we are told, on up until we meet such dogmaticians in the concentration camps or enroute to some ditch, that *their* definition of "work" makes you free.

Within the confines of the nationalizing socialist nutshell, aka your cage.

The Poles of communist post WW-II Poland will tell you exactly that, how you would be told what to think, what to eat, what to say, what you could express, and more, and you *did* as you were told, or the police state came to collect you for a time set by the state, regardless of any "law."

The entire 20th century proved that nationlizing socialism is the path to police state control over life and liberty, during which long passage, tens of millions of people --- including millions of children.

Millions of children disposed of by "social cleansing" that the eggheads of "modernity's" socialism, now lust to impose upon millions of Americans who have committed no crimes.

If you think that "cleansing" is restricted to your race or your religion, you are mistaken.

The nationalizing socialists want to strip away your ability to build a foundation of individual freedom; they want to scrub away your courage; they want to erase your will to resist.

They want to cleanse any instinct of yours to be free, and especially any notion you may have that some power greater than the state, will support you in your efforts.

Every person who ever for even a brief moment dreamed of being free from the tyranny of nationalizing socialism, knows this to be true.

The left, the liberal media, Nina Totenberg and Chris Matthews and Piers Morgan ... all want you to forget it.

You may be scared right now, but after the initial shock has worn off, you will find the courage to resist the nationalizing socialist police state.

33 posted on 12/24/2012 10:52:11 PM PST by First_Salute (May God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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Now let’s move on to the other 8,500+ firearm homicides.
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Of those deaths what were the percentages ( victim and assailant) in terms of race: White, Asian, Black, American Indian?

I bet, I bet, I bet, that one particular demographic is responsible for most of the mayhem.


34 posted on 12/25/2012 7:06:40 AM PST by wintertime
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