History Channel New Propaganda Tool for Oliver Stone's Rewrite of History

Self ^ | 12/2/2012 | Self

[winner3000]

I just listened to yet another disturbing piece of propaganda by Oliver Stone, the Untold History of the United States. It is about the dropping of the atom bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. As can be expected in a good leftist piece of propaganda, the point made is that the US was the bad guy (including Truman) , who bamboozled poor Japan and Poor USSR during that time. The horrible US dropped 2 atomic bombs on Japan, knowing that Japan was going to surrender without its use within a couple of weeks anyway. Then the laughably improbably logical gymnastics come into play when the propagandist makes the point that although the Japanese did not surrender after the first atomic bomb hit them (makes a laughing stock of the opinion that the Japanese would have surrendered without the bomb having been used), nor after the Soviet Union invaded Manchuria, and they surrendered only after the 2nd bomb was dropped on them, it is the Soviet Union's invasion of Manchuria that finally made them decide to surrender! As you might mention in a pure propaganda movie, only the opinions of leaders who thought at the time that Japan was about to surrender were mentioned. Opinions or evidence to the contrary were totally disregarded, including the actions of Japan alluded above, or its creation of a huge civilian army to repel the upcoming American invasion had the bomb not been used.

This propaganda movie was the second recent "documentary" I watched recently on the History Channel. The first one talked about how the earth made Man. Yes, that's right, Mother Earth's history, including the cataclysms, etc, made Man the way he is through evolution. One examples mentioned in this "historical" documentary was that the hiccup was the remnant of when Man was moving from being a creature that lived in the water, to becoming an amphibian. Of course, we have become unrecognizable from that creature, but hey, for some reason, we didn't evolve out of the hiccup!

The History channel should be ashamed of such pure propaganda, and should at least change its name to the Propaganda Channel if this is the type of programming we can expect. It used to be that the victors wrote the History; unfortunately, it's the liberals who are the film makers, and they are re-writing history...their way!

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

Same here! My dad was with Paton’s Acorn Division and after the European war stopped he was schedled to retrain for the invasion of Japan.

When the world was notified of the use of nukes he was greatly relieved that the war was over.

Interesting not: After the bombing of Nagasaki the US firebombed another city causing about as many casulties as the A-bombs did, but no one noticed because they were regular bombs and not nukes.

Somehow the world is ok with 1000 planes killing 100,000 people but one plane doing the same thing sticks in their craw. They should talk to the men who did not have to invade Japan.

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

**Oliver Stone is not just wrong;**

Suppose we could change history and not drop the nuke bombs. Wonder if Oliver Stone and other liberals would volunteer to take the place of our fathers in the front line of the first landing craft into Japan.

[Wildbill22]

“Suppose we could change history and not drop the nuke bombs. Wonder if Oliver Stone and other liberals would volunteer to take the place of our fathers in the front line of the first landing craft into Japan”

-The role of the coward is always to diminish the heroic. It is the only way that they can live with themselves.

[noinfringers2]

I often watch History Channel but this episode escaped me. If I had seen it and it was/is as presented I probably would have flipped,easy to do with Oliver Stone stuff. I was about eighth in a line getting battle gear at a infantry replacement depot on Leyte when a Lt. came out and told us to go back to the tents because the war was over. We certainly before then did not have a feeling the war was over and even with the impending landing on Japan most if not all were wishing for more atomic bombs would be dropped. Sitting in that tent on Leyte I was very glad that the bombs had been dropped. I always believed and still do that the Communistic Russian dictator Stalin decided it was time, beneficial, and opportunistic to go against the Japs and get back some land without much cost. People like Stone need to do more serious and realistic research work before putting out their propaganda. I didn’t notice much regret in the Jap prisoners I was in contact after the war’s end. I’m sure my brother who was killed on Okinawa didn’t believe the Japs would surrender without some overwhelming force being used.

[noinfringers2]

I was one of the young infantry replacements on Leyte who did not have to experience the invasion of Japan. I posted comments earlier.

[STD]

His show is on Showtime. He’s a great fan of now known Communist sleeper agent Henry Wallace. Stone can’t get ‘Henry Wallace’s cock out of his mouth. Right, it’s sickening

[21twelve]

My old man was on a mine-sweeper in the S. Pacific - so dittos.

Just this morning I said something in my fake “old-fart’s” voice to my kids and said something like “Well, we sure showed them Japs something with those two nukes we dropped on ‘em”.

My son in his best whiny imitation lib voice said “Daaaadddd. You can’t say that - that’s not P.C.!!!”

My wife said “You’re right son, we should say nuclear, not “nukes”.

My son got a kick out of that and can’t wait to share it.

I had to remind the kids that of course NOW we refer to them as Japanese, one of our better friends and allies. But if I am speaking of WWII - they are, and always will be - Japs.

[21twelve]

From the History Channel website:

“On this day [March 9, 1945], U.S. warplanes launch a new bombing offensive against Japan, dropping 2,000 tons of incendiary bombs on Tokyo over the course of the next 48 hours. Almost 16 square miles in and around the Japanese capital were incinerated, and between 80,000 and 130,000 Japanese civilians were killed in the worst single firestorm in recorded history.”

Jeez. With the Japs so close to surrendering (per Stone) - one would think they would have surrendered after the firebombing of Tokyo.

[LS]

We have been developing "A Patriot's History of the United States" miniseries for TV as an alternative. Here is the trailer

http://vimeo.com/40753311 (password "Rockin" if needed

We have enough connections---my "Rockin' the Wall" documentary is on PBS of all places right now---that we are sure we can get tis on screen. Citizens United is helping with this.

If you want to help or be a part of this, Freepmail me.

[muir_redwoods]

Point to be made is that the very war-like Japan has been very peaceful in the 70+ years since we nuked them. The Soviets too found the demonstration of willingness and capability very instructive.

[cunning_fish]

Do not downplay Soviet factor. Original conventional allied plan against Japan was about landing a massive Soviet forces into mainland Japan. It was a really awful idea for the Japanese.

[cunning_fish]

>>>>>I always believed and still do that the Communistic Russian dictator Stalin decided it was time, beneficial, and opportunistic to go against the Japs and get back some land without much cost.<<<<<<<<<<

In fact Soviets attacked Japan because they were obliged to do so under treaty. In 1943 US&Britain took obligation to land in France against Nazy. Russian part of the deal was to attack Japan in in a period of 3 months after German surrender. So they did as negotiated.

Before that Soviets and Japan had a non-agression pact with Japan, similar to that broken by Hitler in 1941. Under this pact Soviets de-juro jailed US aircrews landing on their territory after raids on Japan. De-facto Soviets faked documents for the Japanese and handed US airmen to American authorities via Iran.

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

Back in 1966, I was stationed at Walker AFB in Roswell NM. One day I went to the public library in Roswell, and while there I looked at a book about Truman. I noticed on the inside page of the back binding were written in INK, the words in big letters....”TRUMAN, MURDERER!”

Underneath it was another paragraph written by someone else, giving a good defense of Truman’s action.

So the viciousness of the LEFT is not a new thing.

[SunkenCiv]

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[colorado tanker]

If we would not have used the A-bomb LeMay would have firebombed those cities and others, probably killing as many people or more before forcing the surrender.

Those cities were among the few that LeMay hadn't already burned out. You are right, they were doomed one way or the other.

[colorado tanker]

I recently re-watched another History offering, the Last Days of WWII. It took the opposite position. In fact, the Japanese weren't surrendering after the second bomb. The Emperor had to convene a meeting of the cabinet at which he basically ordered them to surrender before they finally did. Even then, a junior officer invaded to palace to try to stop it.