Posted on 11/14/2012 10:57:52 AM PST by OddLane
There has been no shortage of commentary on the impact of the Hispanic vote on the election outcome. Much of the Republican post-election commentary has focused on the failure of Romney to gather a sufficient share of Hispanic support. Much of the discussion is confused.
Two factors decide the impact of the Hispanic vote. One is the percentage of Hispanics who vote Republican. The other is how many Hispanic voters there are. Empirically, variation in numbers was far more important than variation in voting patterns.
Romney did not lose because he lost the Hispanic vote in some unusual fashion. Rather, he lost because of rising number of Hispanics. In 1992 Hispanics were two percent of voters, in 2012 ten percent of voters. If the Hispanic vote share would have been what it was in 2000, let alone 1992. Romney would have won. Romney however would not have won with the vote share Bush got among Hispanics with the current composition of the electorate.
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There is ABSOLUTELY nothing you can do about this matter.
This election confirmed that we are now going to be a Communist country and Obama will bleed every penny he can to give it to the rest of the world until everyone makes the same level of income. (HIS VERY WORDS).
Good luck with spinning your wheels because that is ALL you will be doing from here on out.
Our society has been wearing blinders on this issue for decades. Completely oblivious to human nature.
“Hispanics are generally far more morally conservative than most other American demographic groups” BULLSHIT! PROVE IT!!
You are right. Another issue is PAYING TAXES. Many of these immigrants come from countries where they LAUGH at the prospect of paying taxes. They consider us fools in the U.S. to honestly pay taxes. How will this EVER change?
They may have a great work ethic while here in the U.S. but that may never translate to:
!) honestly paying taxes
2) stopping the money laundering for associates/relatives who have criminal/drug enterprises (using small businesses)
3) honestly using our banking, mortgage and credit card systems
I see this in Florida all around me. MANY (not all):
They don’t use the banks but prefer cash under the table, pawn shops and check cashing services. They think nothing of using false ID’s and information for obtaining mortgages or credit. Many small businesses pop up with no paper/money trail to honestly pay taxes. They play the race card when it comes to honoring HOA regulations or honestly paying HOA dues.
The politically inspired expansion of home ownership brought out this behavior. They would use false information to obtain mortgages, then use false information to receive a home equity loan on their new home. They would take the money and run. You can’t find them because they used false ID’s.
There is NO WAY our current financial institutions or tax-funded government can possibly survive waves of new citizens with this behavior. I am waiting to hear from a politician from any party to explain how they feel this behavior can be changed.
The more you sit back allow fraud of any kind, the more of it you will receive. (voter fraud, tax fraud, benefit fraud, mortgage fraud) We will need a major overhaul of the tax code, benefit allocation systems, and financial institutions to accommodate the inherent behavior of many new immigrants.
It would be wonderful if I was wrong and all new immigrants would assimilate in these areas, but watching the changes directly around me in Florida makes me doubt this possibility.
“Hispanics are generally far more morally conservative than most other American demographic groups. Moral conservatism hasnt been implemented in politics for several decades. For example, over 3 decades of feminism and homosexualism pushed in politics by both parties.”
That is mostly true within the family, and in the personal zone. But in politics they are the children, ruled over for centuries by a Patron, a monarch, etc. They have no tradition of regular people truly controlling the government the way we do. They are very very happy with an oligarchy as long as they think the oligarchy likes them.
BUt that is the mentality of MEXICAN citizens here illegally, who are not supposed to be voters.
The voters who hurt us are Americans. Hispanic Americans. FAR too often, they are racist. Their main loyalty is to foreigners of the same race over America.
Well, if you were a homosexual, then you could claim victim status based on that. Straight white men are out of luck in the victim game.
That’s where we are today. If you can claim victimhood, Democrats promise to fight the oppression which made you a victim.:
I live in California. I don’t buy the argument that Mexicans (that is what they call themselves) are natural conservatives. Our prisons are full of Mexicans. The girls get pregnant out of wedlock and go on welfare. The boys join gangs and wind up in prison. The parks in their neighborhoods have murals of Che Guevarra and communist slogans painted all over the place. Go to Chicano Park in San Diego and see for yourself (but don’t get out of your car). They vote to raise other peoples taxes. I seen nothing conservative in 99% of them.
Where someone falls on the political spectrum has a lot to do with where they fall on the bell curve. In Mexico the Hispanics are on the right side of the bell curve, in the USA less so.
“On the other hand majority-Hispanic counties in NM-3 (from District 1 due-north to the Colorado border) voted 79%-83% for the Democratic candidate, Ray Lujan”
And those counties are all well aware that he is gay. Worst kept secret in NM. SO much for hispanics being good little anti gay catholics. Hispanics in some large areas are not nearly as conservative as some like to fantasize they are.
Venal American politicians then create a "need" to "reach out" to the illegals; as for one group of politicians the Mexican represents votes and for the other group of politicians low labor costs for their constituents.
The net result of aforementioned alien influence will be governance by an alien people in the United States. A conquest if you please.
Beginning in the 8th century with the Muslim conquest, Spain /Hispania/alAndulusia lost its Celtic and Germanic ideals of individual liberty and its Roman ideals of republican govt. In its place the idea of the caudillo/alcalde/strongman form of govt arose, fed by the Islamic caliphate. When the reconquista ended this political direction was married to the new idea of nation state and the right of divine absolutism. The role of the Catholic Church exacerbated these political assaults on liberty. Now 500+ years later when you look at hispanic political culture worldwide you see no love of liberty but a great popular investment in the strongman govt who panders to the masses. The idea of an hispanic culture creating and sustaining a successful democratic republic with individual liberty as its core is unlikely. hence the affinity of Hispanic Americans for liberal democrat ideas of big govt and statism.
I don’t live in the culture of California, although that does tend to ooze into other states through socialist politics and social pathologies.
“Venal American politicians then create a “need” to “reach out” to the illegals”
What a lot of people arent getting, is that the outreach isn’t all to the illegals. It’s mostly aimed at American citizens who happen to be hispanic, but who’s loyalty lies with ethnically similar citizens from a foreign country.
Traitors.
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Exactly.
Hispanics are generally far more morally conservative than most other American demographic groups BULLSHIT! PROVE IT!!”
They proved it themselves by voting 71% for Obama. These exceptionally “moral conservatives” voted just like the black preachers concerned by his stand on homosexuals, abortion, manic spending, ad nauseum. It didn’t stop them from voting for four more years of it!
http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/09/politics/latino-vote-key-election/index.html
Like their tin god Obama, forget what they say and watch what they do.
Hispanics are generally far more morally conservative than most other American demographic groups
That’s rich. Go peddle your papers!
Trying to fix the GOP is like shutting the barn door after the horses have scattered.
We conservatives are on our own.
And while Blacks & Hispanic may vote Liberal when the goodies are flowing, they really don't care about the same things White Liberals care about, like Woman, Gay and Animal rights, the Environment, etc. And they certianly aren't going to be up for paying for old, white childless female's Social Security.
The same thing happened in Communist Russia, they created a system where they believed they, the elite intellectuals would run everything, but instead they created a system that is run by whoever is strong and brutal enough to take it.
Just like then, many elite intellectual Liberals today are going to be shocked when instead of the utopia they dreamed of, they will instead find themselves lined up against the wall or being dragged out into the street by the mob.
I hate abortion and consider it to be a big political issue. The numbers say that the Republicans should be cleaning up on this issue. More and more people say they are against abortion. Anybody can say they are against abortion, but how do they vote on it? I wonder if there are many people who are afraid to tell a pollster they are for killing babies, but, in the privacy of the voting booth, vote for abortion? I think that if we had a real “Truth Machine” that could read people’s minds, the blacks and Mexicans would run from the Democrat party. Those white liberals are all for helping the born blacks and Mexicans, but put the old truth machine on them and ask them their feelings about increasing the total numbers of blacks and Mexicans in their neighborhoods and you would see ABORTION!!! Light up in their brains. The white liberals see welfare as the means of assuaging their guilty consciences and minimally helping the blacks and Mexicans. But, they see abortion as the long-term strategy to deal with blacks and Mexicans. And the Blacks and Mexicans vote for the Democrats! The flaw in the white liberal thinking is that the Mexicans are taking the welfare and still having kids.
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