Posted on 10/30/2012 12:26:59 PM PDT by Starman417
This makes complete sense. For the first time, I fully understand what happened. The supposition fits every last available fact or circumstance.
The jihadis taking out an airliner with one of the MANPADs that Obama allowed to fall into their hands would be an even worse reflection. Obama must be praying that won't happen.
Even letting it be covered in the MSM that the MANPADs are out there in al-Q hands would kill air travel.
They’ll spin this into Øbama out-smarted them and saved many lives by not sending the planes.
give it time . . .
The problem is the America people electing a virtual marxist as President..
After all... WHAT COULD GO WRONG WITH THAT?.....
A Marxist in control of whats top secret and what is not?..
Any expecting any clarity better put down their Bong..
Americas basement is filled to the top with sewage..
Pumping it out will solve NOTHING..
Because the same people are voting..
Lady Liberty has her hands on a Boehner in the House and is blowing on a Reid Instrument in the Senate..
The question should be asked, “Is Lady Liberty a WHORE?”..
She seems to servicing all the wrong people.. Lady Liberty just might be a democrat..
Good rule of thumb for MANPADS (in terms of range) is 2.5-3.0 NM, even for the newer systems like Stinger and the Russian SA-16/18 series. Max altitude is about 15K for the first-generation models and up to 20K (under ideal conditions).
As other posters have pointed out, the AC-130 is designed to operate in a MANPAD environment. The gunship is outfitted with the latest flares/IR jammers and dispenser programs that can deal with virutally any MANPAD in existence. And of course, Spectre’s on-board armament is a powerful deterrent to anyone who decides to take a pot-shot.
As a result, we haven’t lost an AC-130 in combat since the Battle of Khafji during the First Gulf War. That particular aircraft (callsign Spirit 03) was downed by an Iraqi MANPAD. However, the shootdown occurred during daylight hours (when gunships normally don’t operate). The aircraft commander decided to remain on-scene despite the dangers of operating during daylight hours—and the fact that two other AC-130s had already left the area.
The presence of MANPADs should not have been enough to prevent an AC-130 from being scrambled to Benghazi, or engaging targets on the ground. That decision was purely political, and had nothing to do with the “vulnerability” of the AC-130.
One more note: the USAF operated all types of C-130s over Bosnia during the 1990s, despite the potential threat from Serbian SA-6s, the mobile, radar-guided SAM that was responsible for the downing of Scott O’Grady’s F-16. I know, because I was a crew member on one of those platforms. In fact, one AC-130 was “locked up” one night by an SA-6 target tracking radar. The gunship’s jamming pods (along with maneuvering) broke lock, and there was never confirmation of a missile launch.
However, the AC “over-G’ed” the aircraft during the defensive maneuvering, and that particular AC-130 sat on the ramp at San Vito for months while Lockheed re-winged the gunship.
So basically that whole ten years of bashing Rumsfeld and his actions with Saddam ...oh, nevermind — these are OUR Arabs.
NIce try, but not realistic. Our USAF air commandos would consider Libya including Benghazi to be a low-threat environment, even some loose manpads. Manpads are nothing compared to what these guys train to go against.
That’s progress. Next stop, the MSM?
Summed up quite nicely right here: (Western Rifle Shooters, full column)
Every SOF officer and ops officer all the way up has this drummed into his head. We can make Obama respond to this question, even if reporters must shout it at him while he’s doing storm cleanup photo ops. If the reporters KNOW enough to ask the quesion.
That’s why I am shouting all over the internet about CBA.
I can’t believe cross-border authority permission is not one of the top discussion points about Benghazi.
That, and who “set him up” by sending him to Benghazi to meet the Turks on 9-11, with them leaving after dark.
And of course, down the road, was the military rescue-in-progress turned back because Obama actually wanted to make sure the consulate was wiped out? Is that why the spooks at the annex were refused permission to travel the under one mile to intervene? That would connect it all together, but for now, the best focus is on Obama either granting or withholding cross-border authority for the rescue.
Feel free to repost these musings of a long-ago SOF officer anywhere you please.
Is there a place to find the facts that we know for sure on Benghazi?
I believe the State Department, or some government agency, flew one of those hi-tech DC-3s into Benghazi. It didn’t get shot down. Look up DC-3 and see what kind of plane braved the Benghazi air defenses.
That’s right.....soaring into Benghazi at an unheard of speed of maybe 200 miles per hour. Threatening to return fire with bags of peanuts. The DC-3....since the 1930s, the showcase of American air superiority. Panetta makes me want to puke....
Originally there were about 20k MANPADS floating around, but they recovered some and at last count there were about 15k.
Oh, you liked that little zinger from his books, eh?
Well how about a few more?
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From Obama’s books:
In a sane world, having the following comments out in print via Obama’s racist books would have knocked him out of the running for president of the United States.(they would have crucified a white candidate for far less)
From Dreams from My Father,“ I FOUND A SOLACE IN NURSING A PERVASIVE SENSE OF GRIEVANCE AND ANIMOSITY AGAINST MY MOTHER’S RACE”. Barack Hussein Obama
From ‘Dreams from my Father’,The emotion between the races could never be pure, even love was tarnished by the desire to find in the other some element that was missing in ourselves. Whether we sought out our demons or salvation, THE OTHER RACE (WHITE) WOULD ALWAYS REMAIN JUST THAT: MENACING, ALIEN, AND APART.” Barack Hussein Obama
From Dreams from My Father:“THAT HATE HADN’T GONE” he wrote, BLAMING “WHITE PEOPLE — some CRUEL, some IGNORANT, sometimes a single face, sometimes just a faceless image of a system claiming power over our lives.” Barack Hussein Obama
From ‘Dreams from My Father’,“There were enough of us on campus to constitute a tribe, and when it came to hanging out many of us chose to function like a tribe, staying close together, traveling in packs,” he wrote.“It remained necessary to prove which side you were on,to show your LOYALTY TO THE BLACK MASSES, TO STRIKE OUT and name names” Barack Hussein Obama
“Dreams From My Father,” page 101 (paperback, ISBN 978-1-4000-8277-3)
Dreams From My Father: To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists“Dreams From My Father,” pages 99-100
Then there is his love of Islam:
Quote from Barack Obama’s book, Dreams Of My Father:
“THE PERSON WHO MADE ME PROUDEST OF ALL, THOUGH, WAS MY [half brother], ROY..HE CONVERTED TO ISLAM”.
From ‘Dreams of my Father’,“IN INDONESIA, I SPEND TWO YEARS AT A MUSLIM SCHOOL”“..I STUDIED THE KORAN..”
From ‘Audacity of Hope:“LOLO (Obama’s step father) FOLLOWED ISLAM....”I LOOKED TO LOLO FOR GUIDANCE”.
From ‘The Audacity Of Hope,“I WILL STAND WITH THEM (MUSLIMS) SHOULD THE POLITICAL WINDS OF WAR SHIFT IN AN UGLY DIRECTION..”
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From The Audacity Of Hope,“WE ARE NO LONGER JUST A CHRISTIAN NATION, we are also a Jewish nation, a MUSLIM NATION, a Buddhist nation, a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers.”
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Don’t believe it? Think these comments taken ‘out of context’? Here it all here in his own works;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6zM5ldO35A
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Still need convincing?
Race: http://theobamafile.com/obamarace.htm
Islam — early years: http://www.theobamafile.com/_Islam/ObamaIslamEarlyYears.htm
Islam — candidate: http://theobamafile.com/_Islam/ObamaIslamCandidate.htm
The best Obama exposure site on the net:
The Obama File ...
http://www.theobamafile.com/index_next_personal.html
The United States Library of Congress has selectedTheObamaFile.com for inclusion in its historic collectionof Internet materials
http://theobamafile.com/LibraryOfCongress.html
Just a few of the pages:
http://www.theobamafile.com/index_next_politics.html
http://www.theobamafile.com/BarackObama.htm
http://www.theobamafile.com/_family/FamilyPage.htm
http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaEducation.htm
http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaPsychology.htm
http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaReligion.htm
http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaWife.htm
http://www.theobamafile.com/_associates/ObamaAssociates.htm
http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaIconography.htm
I keep forgetting a lot of this was going on in the middle of the night in Benghazi.
Have you seen a map of the area in question? Retired General Keane has been trying to claim that they were afraid to do anything because the complex is in a residential area. But since Woods was giving coordinates they could have done a precision strike, couldn’t they have?
Ann Barnhardt’s got you cited, too.
PING
ABSOLUTELY screw the residential area....To hell with the entire concern for collateral damage. When the Enola Gay dropped its payload it was meant to tell a country not to eff' with the US.
You want to kill Americans? Americans? Really? Then by God, our God, your country, your people, your way of life can and will cease to exist...slowly if you want. Faster if you are stupid.
THIS IS THE AMERICA WE NEED TO GET BACK TO...FUBO, you muslim, purple lipped prince wanna-be.
I'm just sayin'.
Thanks, cutie .......................................................... FRegards
He is one of them; another face of Al Qaida..
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