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DEA "Speaking Out Against Drug Legalization" Claim 5 - a rebuttal
(self) | Sep 17, 2012 | (self)

Posted on 09/17/2012 10:50:02 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies

The DEA Web pages on "Speaking Out Against Drug Legalization" are linked with some regularity on FR. They're full of errors in fact and logic; since I couldn't find a comprehensive rebuttal online, I've started creating one. Here's my rebuttal to their "Fact 5;" more to come as time permits. ("Fact 1" rebutted at http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2858443/posts; "Fact 2" at /focus/f-bloggers/2861557/posts; "Fact 3" at /focus/f-bloggers/2864032/posts; "Fact 4" at /focus/f-bloggers/2893202/posts.)

Claim 5: "Drug control spending is a minor portion of the U.S. budget. Compared to the social costs of drug abuse and addiction, government spending on drug control is minimal."

  • Claim: Legalization advocates claim that the United States has spent billions of dollars to control drug production, trafficking, and use, with few, if any, positive results. As shown in previous chapters, the results of the American drug strategy have been positive indeed - with a 95 percent rate of Americans who do not use drugs.

    Fact: According to the federal Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, in 2008 14.2% of Americans had used an illicit drug in the past year and 8% in the past month (http://www.samhsa.gov/data/nsduh/2k8nsduh/tabs/Sect1peTabs1to46.htm#Tab1.19B).

    Claim: If the number of drug abusers doubled or tripled, the social costs would be enormous.

    Fact: There is no reason to expect the number of drug abusers to double or triple, as we'll see below.

Social Costs

  • Claim: In the year 2000, drug abuse cost American society an estimated $160 billion.

    Fact: As the DEA says below, $110 billion of these "cost" are productivity losses. If individuals choose to make themselves less productive - through drugs, alcohol, or staying up too late - it's the rankest collectivism to regard this as a "cost" to "society" that justifies restricting individuals' liberties. And the same can presumably be said for much if not all of the remaining "costs," whose nature the DEA doesn't specify.

    Claim: More important were the concrete losses that are imperfectly symbolized by those billions of dollars - the destruction of lives, the damage of addiction, fatalities from car accidents, illness, and lost opportunities and dreams.

    Fact: More collectivism - destruction, damage, and lost opportunities and dreams that an individual inflicts on himself are none of government's business. As for car accidents: if they're not reason enough to ban the drug alcohol, which is involved in so many of them, then they're not reason enough to retain the ban on other drugs - not to mention the collectivist nature of punishing all drug users for what some drug users do.

  • Claim: Legalization would result in skyrocketing costs that would be paid by American taxpayers and consumers. Legalization would significantly increase drug use and addiction - and all the social costs that go with it. With the removal of the social and legal sanctions against drugs, many experts estimate the user population would at least double. For example, a 1994 article in the New England Journal of Medicine stated that it was probable, that if cocaine were legalized, the number of cocaine addicts in America would increase from 2 million to at least 20 million.

    Fact: Here is the entirety of the "evidence" (I use the term loosely) for that claim: "There are over 50 million nicotine addicts, 18 million alcoholics or problem drinkers, and fewer than 2 million cocaine addicts in the United States. If cocaine were legally available, it is projected that the number of users would rival that of the other two substances."

  • Claim: Drug abuse drives some of America's most costly social problems - including domestic violence, child abuse, chronic mental illness, the spread of AIDS, and homelessness.

    Fact: AIDS is transmitted by sharing needles; the War On Drugs increases needle sharing by restricting the legal availability of injection needles. If drug use is correlated with domestic violence and child abuse, that can as well be explained as the sort of people willing to break drug laws also being the sort of people willing to commit domestic violence and child abuse. The mentally ill are known to sometimes seek self-medication with drugs, both legal (alcohol) and illegal ( http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/article.aspx?Volume=142&page=1259&journalID=13). And homelessness leads to the negative emotions that people in all walks of life often seek to numb with drugs, both legal and illegal.

    Claim: Drug treatment costs, hospitalization for long-term drug-related disease, and treatment of the consequences of family violence burden our already strapped health care system. In 2000, there were more than 600,000 hospital emergency department drug episodes in the United States.

    Fact: This means only that the patient replied affirmatively when asked if he'd used drugs. This silly statistic would be dwarfed by the number of "air-breathing episodes" if the goverment tracked that statistic as part of a war on breathing air.

    Claim: Health care costs for drug abuse alone were about $15 billion.

    Fact: To the extent that these are paid by the user or his insurance company, they're none of government's business. And if taxpayer-paid health care costs aren't reason enough to ban the drug alcohol, they aren't reason enough to retain the ban on other drugs.

  • Claim: Drug abuse among the homeless has been conservatively estimated at better than 50 percent. Chronic mental illness is inextricably linked with drug abuse. In Philadelphia, nearly half of the VA's mental patients abused drugs.

    Fact: The mentally ill are known to sometimes seek self-medication with drugs, both legal (alcohol) and illegal. And homelessness leads to the negative emotions that people in all walks of life often seek to numb with drugs, both legal and illegal.

    Claim: The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has estimated that 36 percent of new HIV cases are directly or indirectly linked to injecting drug users.

    Fact: HIV is transmitted by sharing needles; the War On Drugs increases needle sharing by restricting the legal availability of injection needles.

  • Claim: In 1998, Americans spent $67 billion for illegal drugs, a sum of money greater than the amount spent that year to finance public higher education in the United States.

    Fact: The price of drugs is hyperinflated by their illegality.

    Claim: If the money spent on illegal drugs were devoted instead to public higher education, for example, public colleges would have the financial ability to accommodate twice as many students as they already do.

    Fact: And here we see in the plainest terms the socialist nature of the War On Drugs: it says that people shouldn't spend their own money on what they want, but instead should give it to government to spend on what government wants.

  • Claim: In addition, legalization - and the increased addiction it would spawn - would result in lost workforce productivity - and the unpredictable damage that it would cause to the American economy. The latest drug use surveys show that about 75% of adults who reported current illicit drug use - which means they've used drugs once in the past month - are employed, either full or parttime.

    Fact: This may be the only true statement on this DEA page - since it goes against their interest by giving the lie to the claim often made by Drug War supporters that drug users are typically unemployed leeches.

    Claim: In 2000, productivity losses due to drug abuse cost the economy $110 billion. Drug use by workers leads not only to more unexcused absences and higher turnover,

    Fact: As stated above, if individuals choose to make themselves less productive - through drugs, alcohol, or staying up too late - it's the rankest collectivism to regard this as a "cost" to "society" that justifies restricting individuals' liberties. Employers are free to fire employees with unexcused absences - they are not free to ban for all adults, including non-employees, an off-work activity that leads some employees to unexcused absences.

    Claim:

    but also presents an enormous safety problem in the workplace. Studies have confirmed what common sense dictates: Employees who abuse drugs are five times more likely than other workers to injure themselves or coworkers and they cause 40% of all industrial fatalities.

    Fact: Employers are, and should remain, free to drug-test as a condition of employment. There is no justification here for restricting the liberties of all adults, including non-employees.

    Claim: They were more likely to have worked for three or more employers and to have voluntarily left an employer in the past year.

    Fact: Employers don't own their employees.

  • Claim: Legalization would also result in a huge increase in the number of traffic accidents and fatalities.

    Fact: This assumes a huge increase in drug use - for which there is no evidence.

    Claim:Drugs are already responsible for a significant number of accidents. Marijuana, for example, impairs the ability of drivers to maintain concentration and show good judgment. A study by the National Institute on Drug Abuse surveyed 6,000 teenage drivers. It studied those who drove more than six times a month after using marijuana. The study found that they were about two and-a-half times more likely to be involved in a traffic accident than those who didn't smoke before driving.

    Fact: Note the cherry-picking: looking only at the drivers who are the least experienced and thus least able to compensate for any impairment. Research with adult drivers does not show these results ( http://www.harthosp.org/Portals/1/Images/6/PR_Pot_Study.pdf). And if driving impairment isn't reason enough to ban the drug alcohol, it isn't reason enough to retain the ban on other drugs.

  • Claim: Legalizers fail to mention the hidden consequences of legalization.

    Will the right to use drugs imply a right to the access to drugs? One of the arguments for legalization is that it will end the need for drug trafficking cartels. If so, who will distribute drugs? Government employees? The local supermarket? The college bookstore?

    Fact: Whoever is licensed to do so, as is the case with the legal drug alcohol.

    Claim: In view of the huge settlement agreed to by the tobacco companies, what marketer would want the potential liability for selling a product as harmful as cocaine or heroin - or even marijuana?

    Fact: Alcohol marketers are doing just fine (perhaps due to not having a long history of advertising their product as healthy).

  • Claim: Advocates also argue that legalization will lower prices. But that raises a dilemma: If the price of drugs is low, many more people will be able to afford them and the demand for drugs will explode.

    Fact: There is no evidence for this claim of "explosion." It assumes that cost is most current non-users' biggest reason for not using. Readers should ask themselves: Is cost my biggest reason for not using drugs?

    Claim: For example, the cost of cocaine production is now as low as $3 per gram. At a market price of, say, $10 a gram, cocaine could retail for as little as ten cents a hit. That means a young person could buy six hits of cocaine for the price of a candy bar.

    Fact: The National Center on Addiction and Substance Abuse reported in 2002 that teens said for the first time that they could get marijuana more easily than cigarettes or beer ( http://www.casacolumbia.org/download.aspx?path=/UploadedFiles/b0ooqrvk.pdf). Teens' access to those inexpensive legal drugs is resticted by making them legal for adults only (thus giving those who sell to adults a disincentive to sell to kids - namely, the loss of their legal adult market).

    Claim: On the other hand, if legal drugs are priced too high, through excise taxes, for example, illegal traffickers will be able to undercut it.

    Fact: The only legal drug prices being undercut today by illegal traffickers are tobacco prices in New York City - which are priced high for the stated purpose of preventing smoking. This is more evidence that government needs to get out of the business of telling adults what to put in their own bodies.

  • Claim: Advocates of legalization also argue that the legal market could be limited to those above a certain age level, as it is for alcohol and cigarettes. Those under the age limits would not be permitted to buy drugs at authorized outlets. But teenagers today have found many ways to circumvent the age restrictions, whether by using false identification or by buying liquor and cigarettes from older friends. According to the 2001 National Household Survey on Drug Abuse, approximately 10.1 million young people aged 12-20 reported past month alcohol use (28.5 percent of this age group). Of these, nearly 6.8 million (19 percent) were binge drinkers.

    Fact: As stated above, teens can get marijuana more easily than cigarettes or beer - which shows that the best way to restict teens' access to drugs is to make them legal for adults only.

    Claim: With drugs, teenagers would have an additional outlet: the highly organized illegal trafficking networks that exist today and that would undoubtedly concentrate their marketing efforts on young people to make up for the business they lost to legal outlets.

    Fact: This speculation is disproved by the example of the legal drug alcohol, for which there are no known teen-targeted illegal trafficking networks, highly organized or otherwise.

Costs to the Taxpayer

  • Claim: The claim that money allegedly saved from giving up on the drug problem could be better spent on education and social problems is readily disputed. When compared to the amount of funding that is spent on other national priorities, federal drug control spending is minimal. For example, in 2002, the amount of money spent by the federal government on drug control was less than $19 billion in its entirety. And unlike critics of American drug policy would have you believe, all of those funds did not go to enforcement policy only. Those funds were used for treatment, education and prevention, as well as enforcement. Within that budget, the amount of money Congress appropriated for the Drug Enforcement Administration was roughly $1.6 billion, a sum that the Defense Department runs through about every day-and-a-half or two days.

    Fact: That's also the mantra of every other liberal defending their pet big-government program: look how small it is compared to defense.

  • Claim: In FY 2002, the total federal drug budget was $11.5 billion.

    By contrast, our country spent about $650 billion, in total, in 2000 on our nation's educational system. And most of us would agree that it was money well spent,

    Fact: Show of hands, FReepers: how many of you consider taxpayer-funded education "money well spent"?

    Claim: even if our educational system isn't perfect. Education is a long-term social concern, with new problems that arise with every new generation. The same can be said of drug abuse and addiction. Yet nobody suggests that we should give up on our children's education. Why, then, would we give up on helping to keep them off drugs and out of addiction?

    Fact: Children should be educated and kept off drugs - but government has shown it can't do either.

  • Claim: Even if drug abuse had not dropped as much as it has in the last 20 years - by more than a third -

    Fact: The DEA can't claim credit for that. From 1980 to 1995, alcohol consumption dropped by 23% (http://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/arh27-1/30-38.htm), while from 1973 to 2006 cigarette smoking dropped by 59% (http://www.lung.org/finding-cures/our-research/trend-reports/Tobacco-Trend-Report.pdf) - all while alcohol and cigarettes remained legal.

    Claim: the alternative to spending money on controlling drugs would be disastrous. If the relatively modest outlays of federal dollars were not made, drug abuse and the attendant social costs ($160 billion in 2000) would be far greater.

    Fact: There is no evidence that legalization would make drug use "far greater."

  • Claim: On the surface, advocates of legalization present an appealing, but simplistic, argument that by legalizing drugs we can move vast sums of money from enforcing drug laws to solving society's ills. But as in education and drug addiction, vast societal problems can't be solved overnight. It takes time, focus, persistence - and resources.

    Fact: Vast societal problems can't be solved by government.

  • Claim: Legalization advocates fail to note the skyrocketing social and welfare costs, not to mention the misery and addiction, that would accompany outright legalization of drugs.

    Fact: There is no evidence that legalization would make drug use "skyrocket."

  • Claim: Legalizers also fail to mention that, unless drugs are made available to children, law enforcement will still be needed to deal with the sale of drugs to minors. In other words, a vast black market will still exist. Since young people are often the primary target of pushers, many of the criminal organizations that now profit from illegal drugs would continue to do so.

    Fact: As stated above, teens can get marijuana more easily than cigarettes or beer - which shows that the best way to restict teens' access to drugs is to make them legal for adults only. Speculation about "a vast black market" is disproved by the example of the legal drug alcohol, for which there are no known youth-targeted black markets, vast or otherwise.

  • Claim: Furthermore, it is reasonable to assume that the health and societal costs of drug legalization would also increase exponentially. Drug treatment costs, hospitalization for long-term drug-related diseases, and treatment of family violence would also place additional demands on our already overburdened health system. More taxes would have to be raised to pay for an American health care system already bursting at the seams.

    Fact: There is no evidence that legalization would make drug use "increase exponentially."

  • Claim: Criminal justice costs would likely increase if drugs were legalized. It is quite likely that violent crime would significantly increase with greater accessibility to dangerous drugs - whether the drugs themselves are legal or not. According to a 1991 Justice Department study, six times as many homicides are committed by people under the influence of drugs as by those who are looking for money to buy drugs.

    Fact: Notice that they don't claim that drug users commit homicide at any greater a rate than non-users. Instead, an apples-and-oranges comparison is made to homicides by drug-money seekers - who of course have a strong incentive to not come in contact with other people, much less commit homicide, namely the desire to get away unhindered and unpursued to get high.

    Claim: More taxes would have to be raised to pay for additional personnel in law enforcement, which is already overburdened by crimes and traffic fatalities associated with alcohol. Law enforcement is already challenged by significant alcohol-related crimes. More users would probably result in the commission of additional crimes, causing incarceration costs to increase as well.

    Fact: There is no evidence that legalization would make drug use increase significantly. And many property crimes are now committed in order to pay the drug prices that are kept artificially high by the War On Drugs.

    Claim:

    Fact: Many substance abuse treatment admissions come through ever-multiplying "diversion programs" from the criminal courts, such as California's Proposition 36, under which "all offenders charged with nonviolent drug-related offenses are potentially eligible to receive treatment services" (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK64143/#A80751) ... which means that many of those admitted to these treatment programs have no substance abuse problem but only an aversion to jail.

 


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1 posted on 09/17/2012 10:50:06 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

How much you makin’ or takin’?


2 posted on 09/17/2012 10:56:20 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: JustSayNoToNannies
fewer pet dogs would be shot

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3 posted on 09/17/2012 10:58:24 AM PDT by Elle Bee
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To: blueunicorn6
How much you makin’ or takin’?

The Drug Warriors usually toss up a few feeble pseudo-arguments before sinking to personal attacks. I guess they've given up even pretending to have a defensible position.

4 posted on 09/17/2012 11:10:03 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies
I've worked for 20+ years in the ER of a large hospital located in a major city.If you've got a couple of days I'll start to explain the devastation that drugs cause.

Libertarians,bless their little hearts.

5 posted on 09/17/2012 11:12:16 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (If Obama's Reelected Imagine The Mess He'll Inherit!)
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6 posted on 09/17/2012 11:14:39 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (I'll believe it when I don't see it.)
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To: Gay State Conservative
I've worked for 20+ years in the ER of a large hospital located in a major city.If you've got a couple of days I'll start to explain the devastation that drugs cause.

That devastation has come about despite the War On Drugs - and there's no evidence that it would increase if the War On Drugs ended.

7 posted on 09/17/2012 11:17:41 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: Gay State Conservative
If you've got a couple of days I'll start to explain the devastation that drugs cause.

You mean, drugs like alcohol, which cause more misery and death than all others combined?

As for "illegal" drugs, do you really think that contraband law, which fills our prisons with non-criminals who have possessed the wrong substance, and results in the early release of violent (actual) criminals, helps ameliorate this "devastation"?

Petty Drug War Fascists, bless their Tyrannical little Constitution-trampling hearts...

8 posted on 09/17/2012 11:22:38 AM PDT by sargon
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To: JustSayNoToNannies
That devastation has come about despite the War On Drugs - and there's no evidence that it would increase if the War On Drugs ended.

Would you care to hazard a guess as to what might happen with bank robbery stats if it was completely (or even partially) "decriminalized" nationwide?

9 posted on 09/17/2012 11:23:15 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (If Obama's Reelected Imagine The Mess He'll Inherit!)
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10 posted on 09/17/2012 11:24:31 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (If Obama's Reelected Imagine The Mess He'll Inherit!)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

I’ve asked you before, and you never can answer.

Name me one (1) solid conservative politician that supports your pro-dope agenda.

(Note. Barney Frank and Ron Paul ARE NOT conservatives.)

You can blow your bong hit smoke all over the issues. The fact is... You are promoting a LIBERAL agenda.


11 posted on 09/17/2012 11:26:41 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Gay State Conservative
That devastation has come about despite the War On Drugs - and there's no evidence that it would increase if the War On Drugs ended.

Would you care to hazard a guess as to what might happen with bank robbery stats if it was completely (or even partially) "decriminalized" nationwide?

Hazarded guesses are not evidence.

How many people who are deterred by the prospect of prison are undeterred by the prospect of addiction or death? Would YOU use drugs if they were legal?

12 posted on 09/17/2012 11:29:07 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: Gay State Conservative
Did anybody claim drugs are good for you? Should I post some pics of what alcohol abuse does to people?
13 posted on 09/17/2012 11:30:38 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

Never had to deal with booze though, right? Prohibitionists, bless their little hearts.


14 posted on 09/17/2012 11:31:58 AM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: Gay State Conservative
Would you care to hazard a guess as to what might happen with bank robbery stats if it was completely (or even partially) "decriminalized" nationwide?

So we need to keep the drug war going so drug dealers will not turn into bank robbers?
15 posted on 09/17/2012 11:32:48 AM PDT by microgood
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To: Responsibility2nd
I’ve asked you before,

No you haven't.

and you never can answer.

Name me one (1) solid conservative politician that supports

Conservatism is not defined by politicians.

(But Paul Ryan says marijuana laws should be up to the states. Do you agree with him?)

your pro-dope agenda.

I'm pro-freedom not pro-dope. Do you support the legality of tobacco and alcohol? If so, does that make you pro-tobacco and pro-alcohol?

16 posted on 09/17/2012 11:34:14 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper
I have no idea what that's supposed to mean. Did you intend to communicate something, or do you simply get a giggle from posting animated graphics?
17 posted on 09/17/2012 11:36:16 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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18 posted on 09/17/2012 11:37:26 AM PDT by devolve (----- ------- ------------GO_AHEAD---MAKE_MY_SPAGHETTI-------- ----------------------------)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

Should I post some pics of what alcohol abuse does to people?

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Yes, please. And then as you do so, admit that alcohol is (and should be) highly regulated and controlled by the State.

Admit that since Prohibition ended there are more laws and more taxes on booze than ever before. Admit that is what you want for marijuana - more taxes, more laws.

Admit too that is the dirty secret behind you libertarians - you advocate for more taxes, more laws, bigger government.


19 posted on 09/17/2012 11:39:35 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

Legalise drugs? That’s a horrible idea!!!! Don’t you realise how much would get cut from the DEA’s budget if we did that???


20 posted on 09/17/2012 11:44:44 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (Remember - Allah is an ancient Arabian moon god, and Muhammed was a pedo)
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