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DEA "Speaking Out Against Drug Legalization" - a rebuttal
(self) | March 13, 2012 | (self)

Posted on 03/13/2012 9:55:41 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies

The DEA Web pages on "Speaking Out Against Drug Legalization" are linked with some regularity on FR. They're full of errors in fact and logic; since I couldn't find a comprehensive rebuttal online, I've started creating one. Here's my rebuttal to their "Fact 1;" more to come as time permits.

Claim 1: "We have made significant progress in fighting drug use and drug trafficking in America. Now is not the time to abandon our efforts."

  • Claim: On the demand side, the U.S. has reduced casual use, chronic use and addiction, and prevented others from even starting using drugs. Overall drug use in the United States is down by more than a third since the late 1970s. That’s 9.5 million people fewer using illegal drugs. We’ve reduced cocaine use by an astounding 70% during the last 15 years. That’s 4.1 million fewer people using cocaine.

    Fact: And from 1980 to 1995, alcohol consumption dropped by 23% (http://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/arh27-1/30-38.htm), while from 1973 to 2006 cigarette smoking dropped by 59% (http://www.lung.org/finding-cures/our-research/trend-reports/Tobacco-Trend-Report.pdf) - all while alcohol and cigarettes remained legal. Correlation is not causation. Here the DEA commits the ancient logical fallacy of post hoc ergo propter hoc ("after this therefore because of this") - like the rooster who claimed his crowing caused the sun to rise.

  • Claim: Almost two-thirds of teens say their schools are drugfree, according to a new survey of teen drug use conducted by The National Center on Addiction and Substance Abuse (CASA) at Columbia University. This is the first time in the seven-year history of the study that a majority of public school students report drug-free schools.

    Fact: That's what teens think other teens are doing. Here's what teens say about what they themselves are doing: The National Center on Addiction and Substance Abuse reported in 2002 that teens said for the first time that they could get marijuana more easily than cigarettes or beer (http://www.casacolumbia.org/download.aspx?path=/UploadedFiles/b0ooqrvk.pdf). This is the DEA's idea of "progress"? What this shows is that the best way to restict teens' access to drugs is to make them legal for adults only (thus giving those who sell to adults a disincentive to sell to kids - namely, the loss of their legal adult market).

  • Claim: The good news continues. According to the 2001-2002 PRIDE survey, student drug use has reached the lowest level in nine years.

    Fact: And 8 years later, the percentage of daily marijuana use was essentially unchanged (http://www.pridesurveys.com/Reports/index.html), despite ever-rising spending on drug enforcement. Trends in youth drug use simply don't correlate with drug criminalization efforts.

    Claim: According to the author of the study, “following 9/11, Americans seemed to refocus on family, community, spirituality, and nation.” These statistics show that U.S. efforts to educate kids about the dangers of drugs is making an impact. Like smoking cigarettes, drug use is gaining a stigma which is the best cure for this problem, as it was in the 1980s, when government, business, the media and other national institutions came together to do something about the growing problem of drugs and drug-related violence. This is a trend we should encourage — not send the opposite message of greater acceptance of drug use.

    Fact: Legalization does not "send the opposite message of greater acceptance of drug use." We manage to educate kids about the dangers of alcohol and tobacco despite their legality. If we're going to criminalize everything we don't want kids doing, we've got a long list to work on.

  • Claim: The crack cocaine epidemic of the 1980s and early 1990s has diminished greatly in scope. And we’ve reduced the number of chronic heroin users over the last decade. In addition, the number of new marijuana users and cocaine users continues to steadily decrease.

    Fact: See the first fact, above.

  • Claim: The number of new heroin users dropped from 156,000 in 1976 to 104,000 in 1999, a reduction of 33 percent.

    Fact: See the first fact, above.

  • Claim: Of course, drug policy also has an impact on general crime. In a 2001 study, the British Home Office found violent crime and property crime increased in the late 1990s in every wealthy country except the United States. Our murder rate is too high, and we have much to learn from those with greater success—but this reduction is due in part to a reduction in drug use.

    Fact: Apparently the DEA hopes we won't notice that:

    • All those countries also have anti-drug laws.
    • There is no evidence that those countries had rising levels of drug use.
    • As mentioned previously, correlation is not causation.
  • Claim: To put things in perspective, less than 5 percent of the population uses illegal drugs of any kind.

    Fact: According to the federal Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, in 2008 8% of Americans had used an illicit drug in the past month and 14.2% in the past year (http://www.samhsa.gov/data/nsduh/2k8nsduh/tabs/Sect1peTabs1to46.htm#Tab1.19B).

Supply Reduction

  • Claim: There have been many successes on the supply side of the drug fight, as well. For example, Customs officials have made major seizures along the U.S.-Mexico border during a six-month period after September 11th, seizing almost twice as much as the same period in 2001. At one port in Texas, seizures of methamphetamine are up 425% and heroin by 172%. Enforcement makes a difference—traffickers’ costs go up with these kinds of seizures.

    Fact: Based on available federal government data (http://www.justice.gov/ndic/pubs44/44849/44849p.pdf, http://www.abtassociates.com/reports/american_users_spend_2002.pdf), no more than 21% of the cocaine that enters this country is seized, and no more than 19% of the heroin. The DEA is grading itself on a very generous curve if it calls a score of 21% anything better than failing.

  • Claim: Purity levels of Colombian cocaine are declining too, according to an analysis of samples seized from traffickers and bought from street dealers in the United States. The purity has declined by nine percent, from 86 percent in 1998, to 78 percent in 2001. There are a number of possible reasons for this decline in purity, including DEA supply reduction efforts in South America.

    Fact: Cocaine purity rises and falls with no correlation to drug enforcement activity; after that cherry-picked dip in 2001, purity rose again (https://www.ncjrs.gov/ondcppubs/publications/pdf/price_purity.pdf).

  • Claim: One DEA program, Operation Purple, involves 28 countries and targets the illegal diversion of chemicals used in processing cocaine and other illicit drugs. DEA’s labs have discovered that the oxidation levels for cocaine have been greatly reduced, suggesting that Operation Purple is having a detrimental impact on the production of cocaine.

    Fact: Oxidation is used to remove impurities; whatever the significance of these reduced oxidation levels, it hasn't meant a reduction in cocaine purity, as shown above.

  • Claim: Whatever the final reasons for the decline in drug purity, it is good news for the American public. It means less potent and deadly drugs are hitting the streets, and dealers are making less profits — that is, unless they raise their own prices, which helps price more and more Americans out of the market.

    Fact: Speaking of prices: powder cocaine prices have declined by roughly 80 percent since 1981, with the average price of one expected pure gram of cocaine purchased at Q1 (i.e., 0.1 to 2.0 bulk grams) costing approximately $107 in 2003. (https://www.ncjrs.gov/ondcppubs/publications/pdf/price_purity.pdf)

  • Claim: Purity levels have also been reduced on methamphetamine by controls on chemicals necessary for its manufacture. The average purity of seized methamphetamine samples dropped from 72 percent in 1994 to 40 percent in 2001.

    Fact: Methamphetamine purity did decline during that period - but then it rose again. (https://www.ncjrs.gov/ondcppubs/publications/pdf/price_purity.pdf) As with cocaine, purity rises and falls with no correlation to drug enforcement activity.

  • Claim:The trafficking organizations that sell drugs are finding that their profession has become a lot more costly. In the mid-1990s, the DEA helped dismantle Burma’s Shan United Army, at the time the world’s largest heroin trafficking organization, which in two years helped reduce the amount of Southeast Asian heroin in the United States from 63 percent of the market to 17 percent of the market. In the mid-1990s, the DEA helped disrupt the Cali cartel, which had been responsible for much of the world’s cocaine.

    Fact: When Southeast Asian heroin declined, South American heroin picked up the slack. When the Cali cartel was disrupted, other cartels stepped in. These high-profile busts serve only to create opportunities for other traffickers.

  • Claim: Progress does not come overnight. America has had a long, dark struggle with drugs. It’s not a war we’ve been fighting for 20 years. We’ve been fighting it for 120 years. In 1880, many drugs, including opium and cocaine, were legal. We didn’t know their harms, but we soon learned. We saw the highest level of drug use ever in our nation, per capita. There were over 400,000 opium addicts in our nation. That’s twice as many per capita as there are today. And like today, we saw rising crime with that drug abuse. But we fought those problems by passing and enforcing tough laws and by educating the public about the dangers of these drugs. And this vigilance worked—by World War II, drug use was reduced to the very margins of society.

    Fact: The only anti-drug laws passed in the 1880s were against smokable opium, and were targeted at the recently immigrated Chinese laborers. Even when the Harrison Narcotic Act was passed in 1914, "The supporters of the Harrison bill said little in the Congressional debates (which lasted several days) about the evils of narcotics addiction in the United States. They talked more about the need to implement The Hague Convention of 1912," which was "aimed primarily at solving the opium problems of the Far East, especially China." "Even Senator Mann of Mann Act fame, spokesman for the bill in the Senate, talked about international obligations rather than domestic morality. On its face, moreover, the Harrison bill did not appear to be a prohibition law at all." (http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/Library/studies/cu/cumenu.htm)

    And if the use of opiates and cocaine declined in the early part of the twentieth century (although the use of barbiturates and amphetamines was widespread), they rose again later despite not a single anti-drug law being repealed. Again we see that trends in drug use do not correlate with anti-drug laws and enforcement.



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1 posted on 03/13/2012 9:55:44 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies
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To: JustSayNoToNannies
Bump for later.

/johnny

2 posted on 03/13/2012 10:03:23 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies
Here is a rebuttal to you. This is the NORMAL progression of drugs when they are not interdicted.

Chests of Opium Imported to China.

3 posted on 03/13/2012 10:06:50 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies
Good list.

Drug War bootlickers (a.k.a. closet socialists) arriving to spam this thread with ad homenim attacks in 3-2-1 ...

4 posted on 03/13/2012 10:11:35 AM PDT by bassmaner (Hey commies: I am a white male, and I am guilty of NOTHING! Sell your 'white guilt' elsewhere.)
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To: DiogenesLamp
This is the NORMAL progression of drugs

One single example is by definition utterly insufficient to establish what is "normal." Even the DEA isn't dumb enough to say 21st century America is identical to 19th century China.

5 posted on 03/13/2012 10:15:21 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies
From your link:

Many soldiers on both sides of the Civil War who were given morphine for their wounds became addicted to it, and this increased level of addiction continued throughout the nineteenth century and into the twentieth. In 1880, many drugs, including opium and cocaine, were legal — and, like some drugs today, seen as benign medicine not requiring a doctor’s care and oversight. Addiction skyrocketed. There were over 400,000 opium addicts in the U.S. That is twice as many per capita as there are today.

By 1900, about one American in 200 was either a cocaine or opium addict.

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So we had 400,000 opium addicts in 1880, many of whom were addicted Civil War veterans. The population of the US in 1880 was around 50M. That works out to an addiction rate of 0.8% in 1880. Now, in 1900 the addiction rate to either opium or cocaine was 1 in 200. That is an addiction rate of 0.5%.

So in 1880 there were 0.8% addicted to just opium vs 0.5% to either opium or cocaine in 1900. The DEA is telling us that addiction declined substantially between 1880 and 1900, despite these drugs being legal.

6 posted on 03/13/2012 10:30:07 AM PDT by Ken H (Austerity is the irresistible force. Entitlements are the immovable object.)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies
One fact strangely NOT mentioned:

Ask your nearest middle school student what drugs they have seen or heard of being used in their school.

Then ask them how hard it is to get their hands on beer.

One is illegal and has nearly a trillion dollars a year spent to prevent its use, one is for sale on nearly every street corner.

Game, set, and match.

7 posted on 03/13/2012 10:35:34 AM PDT by I cannot think of a name
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To: Ken H

I don’t think the drug war is worth the money and freedom it costs us. Maybe it would be different if the government wasn’t so corrupt and inefficient. If they were really at war with drugs they would stop them at our border instead of allowing them to flow into the country.


8 posted on 03/13/2012 10:37:26 AM PDT by peeps36 (America is being destroyed by filthy traitors in the political establishment)
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To: I cannot think of a name
One fact strangely NOT mentioned:

Not mentioned by the DEA, you mean? I mentioned it:

"The National Center on Addiction and Substance Abuse reported in 2002 that teens said for the first time that they could get marijuana more easily than cigarettes or beer (http://www.casacolumbia.org/download.aspx?path=/UploadedFiles/b0ooqrvk.pdf). This is the DEA's idea of "progress"? What this shows is that the best way to restict teens' access to drugs is to make them legal for adults only (thus giving those who sell to adults a disincentive to sell to kids - namely, the loss of their legal adult market)."

9 posted on 03/13/2012 10:46:02 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: Ken H
The DEA is telling us that addiction declined substantially between 1880 and 1900, despite these drugs being legal.

Nice catch!

10 posted on 03/13/2012 10:47:23 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies
Every state has drug laws already on their books, and if all the federal drug laws were gone tomorrow, those state laws would still be in place and enforceable.

ENDING THE FEDERAL DRUG WAR WILL NOT LEGALIZE DRUGS.

But they work really hard at trying to make you believe it would.

11 posted on 03/13/2012 10:53:59 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: DiogenesLamp
The obvious question is “so what?”
12 posted on 03/13/2012 10:55:17 AM PDT by starlifter (Pullum sapit)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies
America needs more unfettered access to a wider array of poisons.

This will assuredly make America a better place.....

Once legalized it will be much easier for parents to convince their kids of the destructive effects of drug use.

And the kids, ever mindful of parental warnings, will heed their advice....

Why....didn't you see John Stossle’s citation of the success in Portugal?
Never mind that he avoided citing the failures in the Netherlands and Sweden.....

13 posted on 03/13/2012 11:23:23 AM PDT by G Larry (spellcheck can ruin a good rant!)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies
Frankly I would not trust anything the DEA has to say. This is the same DEA that confiscates property without filing charges. America has the highest proportion of its population in prison, over 50% are from drug related crimes. That is insane. When our “betters” tried to regulate drug (alcohol) use in the 1920s we had a name for them - progressives.
14 posted on 03/13/2012 11:25:13 AM PDT by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: G Larry
America needs more unfettered access to a wider array of poisons.

This will assuredly make America a better place.....

Ending the negative consequences of the futile and counterproductive War On Drugs will make America a better place. If that weren't so, we'd narrow the array of poisons by returning to alcohol Prohibition. Do you support that?

Once legalized it will be much easier for parents to convince their kids of the destructive effects of drug use.

And the kids, ever mindful of parental warnings, will heed their advice....

The National Center on Addiction and Substance Abuse reported in 2002 that teens said for the first time that they could get marijuana more easily than cigarettes or beer (http://www.casacolumbia.org/download.aspx?path=/UploadedFiles/b0ooqrvk.pdf). What this shows is that the best way to restict teens' access to drugs is to make them legal for adults only (thus giving those who sell to adults a disincentive to sell to kids - namely, the loss of their legal adult market).

Why....didn't you see John Stossle’s citation of the success in Portugal?
Never mind that he avoided citing the failures in the Netherlands

How did the Netherlands fail?

and Sweden.....

"Penalties for possessing, using, or trafficking illegal drugs in Sweden are severe, and convicted offenders can expect long jail sentences and heavy fines." - http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1032.html

15 posted on 03/13/2012 11:32:09 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies
Some more ammo for you from the NIH:

The number of eighth graders who reported trying illegal drugs increased from 2009 to 2010, according to data released by the National Institutes of Health (NIH).

But other statistics contained in the report "America's Children: Key National Indicators of Well-Being 2011" are much more promising: The number of 12th graders who reported binge drinking decreased, as did the number of teens who gave birth.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/eighth-graders-illegal-drugs-teen-births-drop/story?id=14028428

16 posted on 03/13/2012 12:05:04 PM PDT by the_devils_advocate_666
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To: JustSayNoToNannies
One single example is by definition utterly insufficient to establish what is "normal." Even the DEA isn't dumb enough to say 21st century America is identical to 19th century China.

Your response doesn't make sense. One single example of a person getting their head blown off is plenty enough information to decide that the same thing will happen to someone else who sticks their head in a cannon. (And it doesn't matter if they are a 19th century Chinese person, or a 21st century American. The same stupid act, yields the same stupid result.)

If I recall correctly, by 1905 50% of the Adult male population of Manchuria was addicted to opium.

17 posted on 03/13/2012 2:03:20 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: starlifter
The obvious question is “so what?”

The obvious answer is that if it's not self evident, it is pointless to explain it.

18 posted on 03/13/2012 2:10:11 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies
Ending the negative consequences of the futile and counterproductive War On Drugs will make America a better place. If that weren't so, we'd narrow the array of poisons by returning to alcohol Prohibition. Do you support that?

My recollection is that legal alcohol kills ~ 50,000 people per year. Isn't that a small sacrifice to pay for it? Only 50,000 dead people? (per year) Yes, we certainly need another bunch of substances to add to the death rate.

The National Center on Addiction and Substance Abuse reported in 2002 that teens said for the first time that they could get marijuana more easily than cigarettes or beer (http://www.casacolumbia.org/download.aspx?path=/UploadedFiles/b0ooqrvk.pdf). What this shows is that the best way to restict teens' access to drugs is to make them legal for adults only (thus giving those who sell to adults a disincentive to sell to kids - namely, the loss of their legal adult market).

But that benefit will be more than overwhelmed by the incidence of Addiction spreading throughout the land. The Loss is far greater than the benefit.

How did the Netherlands fail?

Don't know about the Netherlands, but I know the Swiss weren't very happy with their experiment.

Platzspitz, Zurich Switzerland.

19 posted on 03/13/2012 2:23:11 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: DiogenesLamp

Platzspitz? Looks more like the Spitzplatz.


20 posted on 03/13/2012 2:48:58 PM PDT by x
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