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Will it ever be resolved?
1 posted on 09/01/2012 6:31:50 AM PDT by GregNH
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To: GregNH

It has been resolved by the 14th amendment - for good or bad.


2 posted on 09/01/2012 6:35:22 AM PDT by Perdogg (Mutts for Mitt all agree - Better in the crate than on the plate)
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To: GregNH

This just goes to show that no one ..and I mean NO ONE..knows how a ruling would come down from SCOTUS on this issue...despite FREEPERS who claim to know exactly what would happen.

Scalia does talk about it in the oral arguments of Nguyen.


3 posted on 09/01/2012 6:36:41 AM PDT by RummyChick
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It would seem that many of our FReepers are more qualified to sit on the bench than Scalia.


4 posted on 09/01/2012 6:37:25 AM PDT by patriotsblood
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To: GregNH
One hundred years from now, someone will write a book entitled "The Illegitimate President".

In the meantime, and for another 140+- days, we have to live with "an empty chair".

5 posted on 09/01/2012 6:38:23 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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Unfortunately, it also goes to show how we are viewed as the crazy uncle in the basement. Despite the plethora of articles and discussion about this topic over the past four years here and in the conservative blogosphere, the concept has not even appeared on the radar of the most conservative of Supreme Court justices that it is a legitimate issue.


6 posted on 09/01/2012 6:40:56 AM PDT by gusopol3
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Scalia didnt look and sound flumuxed because he didnt know the answer...

he did not want to put himself in the position of having to recuse himself from an Obama Natural Born Citizen case, by taking a side on it, before a decision is to be made.

what a jerk the author is.


7 posted on 09/01/2012 6:40:56 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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This is a crock. Why?

The author supposedly asked, “then why are there separate references to ‘citizen’ and ‘natural born citizen’ in the Constitution?

Am I supposed to believe that Scalia doesn't know there is a difference between a citizen born and one naturalized? My daughter-in-law was naturalized a week ago. She is not eligible for President because she wasn't born in the USA. I find it incredibly hard to believe someone who claims Scalia doesn't know the difference between being born in the USA and being naturalized...

8 posted on 09/01/2012 6:41:32 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Liberalism: "Ex faslo quodlibet" - from falseness, anything follows)
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Let's put it this way:

The media is totally disinterested in Obama's past records.

The media is totally fascinated by Romney's past records.

The media is totally fascinated by Todd Akin.

The media is totally disinterested in Paul Ryan's black college girlfriend.

The media is totally disinterested in Obama robo-signing letters to dead and wounded SEALs.

The media was totally fascinated by Bush robo-signing letters to dead and wounded Iraq & Afghanistan veterans.

Are we seeing a pattern yet?

11 posted on 09/01/2012 6:42:32 AM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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The Constitution is as clear as the nose on your face. According to Article II, Section 1, to be eligible to be president or vice president of the United States one must be a “natural born citizen.” That means born in the United States to two American citizen parents.

Who is this guy? He's gone from assertion to conclusion with no argument or evidence. The Constitution is not always as clear as the nose on your face. Sometimes it is, but often it is not. It takes diligent research sometimes to uncover the intended meaning and original understanding of the text, sometimes going back to English common law which was much of our framers point of reference.

The point is, the Constitution doesn't mean what somebody WANTS it to mean. It's meaning is found in the understanding of the text which, again, may be clear, but should be verified by looking at the historical context of the intent and understanding of the framers.

13 posted on 09/01/2012 6:43:22 AM PDT by PapaNew
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In the case of "natural-born citizen", it appears to be an open issue. Here's what I posted recently about this issue and Marco Rubio:

Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162 (1874), was a case about a woman who wanted to vote. It had nothing to do with qualifications for POTUS. It does, however, address the issue of what a natural-born citizen is, but leaves open the question of children born in a U.S. jurisdiction to non-citizen parents. In my quick search, I don't see any subsequent cases that shed any more light on the subject. Relevant part of the opinion below:

The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their [88 U.S. 162, 168] parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first. For the purposes of this case it is not necessary to solve these doubts. It is sufficient for everything we have now to consider that all children born of citizen parents within the jurisdiction are themselves citizens. Minor, 88 U.S. 162.

Nevertheless, there may be an issue because Rubio's parents were not citizens at the time Rubio was born. WorldNetDaily's research shows a native-born citizen born to non-citizen parents may not be what is meant in the Constitution as a "natural-born citizen." http://www.wnd.com/2012/06/rubio-autobiography-proves-hes-not-eligible-for-vp/

There are also those who assert that a native-born citizen IS a natural-born citizen. It almost certainly would have to be decided at the SCOTUS level, if Rubio were to run for POTUS. (What the Immigration Service says is not a deciding factor.)

It seems to me to be a minor point that his parents became citizens two or three years after Rubio's birth in the United States. I guess more research will need to be done to find what was the the intent of the framers was in their use of the term "natural-born citizen". I believe in strict construction of the Constitution by ruling as close as possible to the original intent of the framers, not what a judge or Justice WANTS their intent to have been. My guess is SCOTUS would most likely allow Rubio to be a natural-born citizen for purpose of Article II Section 5 of the Constitution. This may in fact be what the framers intended, but SCOTUS is generally not strict in constructing textual Constitutional meaning, which is why I think they would rule in favor of Rubio, whether or not this was the original intent and understanding of the text of Article II Section 5 of the Constitution.

16 posted on 09/01/2012 6:46:08 AM PDT by PapaNew
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From my understanding, if Barack Sr. was really his father and he wasn’t born in the US, Jr. isn’t rightly a US citizen at all. (Since his mother was too young at the time to by the laws at the time to pass on US citizenship in those circumstances.)


21 posted on 09/01/2012 6:52:27 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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This is very disappointing.


22 posted on 09/01/2012 6:54:17 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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You can bet it will be resolved if the Republicans attempt a similar stunt


23 posted on 09/01/2012 6:54:36 AM PDT by reefdiver (zer0 One and Done)
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bfl


27 posted on 09/01/2012 6:57:37 AM PDT by TEXOKIE (Nobody made a greater mistake than he who did nothing because he could do only a little. EdmondBurke)
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Scalia would be a fool to answer the question. He’d just get himself disqualified if the issue ever came up.


33 posted on 09/01/2012 7:02:36 AM PDT by Brilliant
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Shouldn’t this issue have been ruled on long ago, to state who is qualified to be president? The SCOTUS is the most derelict branch of government, and that is saying something.


34 posted on 09/01/2012 7:02:36 AM PDT by txrefugee
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Will it ever be resolved?

Resolved? Probably not. Decided? Oh yeah, just like obamacare was decided and Kelo was decided and Roe v Wade was decided.

They'll find and decide what they need to to keep their masters happy and then go back to enjoying their lifetime perks.

They aren't going to decide against obama and that voting block and they aren't going to decide against people like Rubio, the GOPe's counter to obama.

Anchor babies are natural born now, illegal immigrants soon will be. Who cares what a bunch of old dead white men had to say? What did they know? We have Kagan and that wise latina Sotomayor to guides us now.

39 posted on 09/01/2012 7:10:01 AM PDT by GBA
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I don’t see this issue being resolved anytime soon by a definitive Supreme Court ruling. Which is probably a good thing knowing now a little more about Chief Justice John Roberts’ judicial philosophy.


45 posted on 09/01/2012 7:16:08 AM PDT by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" (Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius (170 BC - 86 BC))
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My son was born in this country and his father is an immigrant from our closest ally. My husband became a citizen on our son's birthday a few years later. My family has been here since before the Revolutionary War. If anyone told me my son is not eligible to be President of the United States of America, I would call them a liar.
46 posted on 09/01/2012 7:17:26 AM PDT by originalbuckeye
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Will it ever be resolved?

It's already been resolved.


50 posted on 09/01/2012 7:21:33 AM PDT by Drew68 (I WILL vote to defeat Barack Hussein Obama!)
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