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Gene Roddenberry was born 91 years ago today.

The Economics of Star Trek

1 posted on 08/19/2012 3:56:29 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar

There’s no wealth but some certainly are more equal.


2 posted on 08/19/2012 4:04:41 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: EveningStar

God would forgive you. If it existed.


3 posted on 08/19/2012 4:09:13 PM PDT by BigCinBigD (...Was that okay?)
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To: EveningStar
communism was first popularized by Karl Marx and Fredrick Engels,

Not really, but take a college course at a liberal college and that is what they spew.

Communism had a history before these two kooks came along. Plato tried it with his Republic and the Perfect Society. Didn't work out so well in 380 BC either.

4 posted on 08/19/2012 4:09:13 PM PDT by occamrzr06
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To: sauropod

read


5 posted on 08/19/2012 4:10:05 PM PDT by sauropod (Only two of God's creatures can employ the term "we": newspaper editors and men with tapeworms-Hayes)
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To: EveningStar

Star Treck was pathetic. I remember trying to explain to a Trecky why why the Enterprise was a bad design. I gave up trying to convince him that inertia still existed without gravity.


6 posted on 08/19/2012 4:10:37 PM PDT by CrazyIvan (Obama's birth certificate was found stapled to Soros's receipt.)
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To: EveningStar

who gives a crap?


7 posted on 08/19/2012 4:11:07 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: EveningStar

Many scifi writers are/were of the socialistic, utopianistic, kumbayaic persuasion, as those themes ran through their works.


8 posted on 08/19/2012 4:11:26 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: EveningStar
the man who turned the brains of a generation of science fiction fans to utter mush.

Only the brains that were already a bit soft. I could enjoy his work while recognizing the problems with the collectivism in them. In fact one of the things I liked about Star Trek Voyager (not Roddenbery) was the rule breaking. I just loved the episode where Torres and Paris sneak off to eat real meat because it was illegal and because everyone else would want some too. After centuries of being illegal, the desire for meat still hadn't been broken.
9 posted on 08/19/2012 4:11:42 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: EveningStar

Lighten up Francis! I was a Trekkie in 1970 and I still am. I laugh at the economy of the United Federation of Planets because the near limitless energy of the antimatter reactor, combined with the matter replicator actually make communism work.

In the Star Trek universe, you really can make Marx’s dream come true and that’s actually a good thing. It illustrates the folly of trying to make it come true in a world where energy comes largely from buring fossil fuels and every manufactured product must start out as a specific set of raw materials processed by labor on expensive, high maintenance machinery and then shipped to the consumer by mechanical transportation.

When a Leftist starts telling me about the “freedom” of communism because people don’t have the profit motive anymore, I usually talk about Star Trek as the reason why it doesn’t work and what kind of technological advances it will require to actually make their dream work.

I’m glad Rodenberry was such a progressive because he proved that communism only works when you can ignore Newton’s Laws of Physics.


10 posted on 08/19/2012 4:12:11 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: EveningStar
By extension, the author also hates Capt. Kirk, Spock, Bones, Scotty and the rest of the crew as well as the Orion Slave Girl. Anyone who hates the Orion Slave Girl is a homo.


14 posted on 08/19/2012 4:15:33 PM PDT by Rebelbase (The most transparent administration ever is clear as mud.)
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To: EveningStar

I don’t think his problem is Gene so much as people, including himself, that grossly miscomprehended Trek. It’s not communism in Trek. The Federation has very little commerce but they also have replicators, so they don’t have much need for commerce. Meanwhile outside of the Federation commerce is apparently very big, there’s two full races that are commerce masters. Now as for the folks that studiously ignore the implications of replicators and Orions and Ferengi well that happens, but don’t blame the source, some people are just confused no matter what they watch.


16 posted on 08/19/2012 4:16:38 PM PDT by discostu (Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends.)
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To: EveningStar

The Star Trek TV shows are full of contradictions themselves. In one you hear there is no more currency, that “we work to better ourselves”. In the next one, you hear about gold-pressed latinum. All the science is fake, anyway. Roddenberry had a staff of people who actually knew some real science, but rarely listened to them.


18 posted on 08/19/2012 4:16:38 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder (The right thing is not always the popular thing)
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Star Trek existed in a post-scarcity society. I don’t think you could really compare it to our current situation.


25 posted on 08/19/2012 4:25:49 PM PDT by escapefromboston (manny ortez: mvp)
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To: EveningStar

Firefly was better.


27 posted on 08/19/2012 4:30:36 PM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: EveningStar

Try Firefly.

The anti-Star Trek.


28 posted on 08/19/2012 4:30:40 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: EveningStar

Star Trek was pure liberal fantasy.

They always spouting off about “The Prime Directive”
(non intervention into other planets affairs for you non Trekkies)

Then,in nearly every other episode, they violate it.

Otherwise they’d have no show and be aimlessly drifting in space!

I did mention it was liberal fantasy, didn’t I?


32 posted on 08/19/2012 4:32:02 PM PDT by RedMonqey (Men who will not suffer to self govern, will suffer under the governance of lesser men.)
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To: EveningStar

While I agree with you it has never stopped me enjoying it!


33 posted on 08/19/2012 4:32:36 PM PDT by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong....)
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To: EveningStar

It always struck me that it was “after-the-fact” that Roddenberry started embracing a kind of mushy philosophical we-are-the-world liberalism, sort of catering to the youthful fans who kept applying pretentious liberal contexts to “Star Trek” (which in his mind was conceived as “Wagon Train” in space... hardly something more).

Anyway, Roddenberry’s rarely-seen earlier series, “The Lieutenant,” about the military in peacetime, is coming out on dvd this very month. I suppose the episodes can now be scanned for attitudes and ideologies. But like Roddenberry’s “Have Gun Will Travel” scripts, I doubt much will be found in those terms.


36 posted on 08/19/2012 4:36:28 PM PDT by greene66
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To: EveningStar

Hates his guts? Really? Not, oh, a strong dislike? Maybe, not a big fan? I mean, it sounds a little silly to hate someone’s guts because they created a tv show, that apparently, the author only has a passing familiarity with.

Now hating the guts of George Lucas for the “Phantom Menace”, that’s not silly at all.


42 posted on 08/19/2012 4:42:50 PM PDT by turn_to
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To: EveningStar
Coincidentally, we mark the passing of William Windom, who portrayed Commodore Decker in one of the most notable TOS episodes.
43 posted on 08/19/2012 4:43:43 PM PDT by mikrofon (BHO: "Live long & p***-poor!")
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