Posted on 04/08/2012 1:07:37 PM PDT by jmaroneps37
Maybe somebody should call Father Jenkins at Notre Dame and ask him to teach his pal Barack a bit about the religious doctrines Obama professes to believe.
Last Wednesday at a White House Prayer Breakfast Barack Obama took his plan to redesign Christian doctrine up a notch.
To the stunned amazement of onlookers Obama the Muslim trained and educated president challenged the divinity of Jesus Christ. Of course he thought he was clever with his sop to Islam and his “finger in the eye” pronouncement, but his remarks leave no doubt about his continuing hostility toward the biggest obstacle to Islam’s world domination: Roman Catholicism.
Comparing himself to Jesus Christ, Obama told his audience, “For like us, Jesus knew doubt. Like us, Jesus knew fear. In the garden of Gethsemane, with attackers closing in around him, Jesus told His disciples, ‘my soul is overwhelmed with sorrow to the point of death. We all have experiences that shake our faith. There are times where we have questions for God’s plan relative to us. But that’s precisely when we should remember Christ’s own doubts and eventually his own triumph.”
A professor of theology at a Catholic – Catholic university (as opposed to the fake “Catholic” universities) commented on Obama’s remarks saying, “My question is what would He be doubting? Would He be doubting the Father’s care and merciful love?
Is He doubting the value of his mission? I don’t think there is any real context that I could understand to say Jesus doubted.”
Keeping in mind that Muslims don’t believe Jesus was divine makes sense of these remarks. Obama was obviously projecting his own “doubts” about who Jesus was …..“….the Bible does not say Jesus who is God had any doubts. But why would Obama know that?
(Excerpt) Read more at coachisright.com ...
(RichInOC, post # 24):
“Pleased to meet you...hope you guess my name...
“But what’s puzzling you is just the nature of my game...”
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(unkus, post #4)
“0bama is simply playing to the ignorant for his political purposes. He’s a master at that.
He always relies on the ignorance of most people to push his agenda. The sheep fall for most of it and the media never call him on anything.”
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Thank you, RichInOC and unkus. And, RoosterRedux, you must admit, better “christian” religious speech-writers filling the bill this year.
Are Freepers actually having a Christian theological discussion based on the craven religious comments of a political opportunist???
Satan (or antichrist [small “a”]) said this: @@@@@@. Let’s discuss the merits!
Or, Hitler’s commentary on our Lord Jesus Christ. Let’s debate Hitler’s analysis.
Are ya’ll gone mad?
There are serious and numerous Christian threads for such meritorious discussions. Look up posts by alamogirl, bettyboop, and otherwise sentient xzins. If not found, start a serious FR thread.
But for now, see post 24 by RichinOC. Get a grip.
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In case there are any Freepers who think Obama is an honest-—but misguided and undereducated-—Christian, I can provide evidence from his own lips that he is NOT a Christian in the biblical or saved sense of the Word. [It is NOT the faux pas in the George Stephanopoulo interview, nor anyone’s judgment of his “good works” or “fruits of his faith.”]
Here it is (for anyone in doubt). (IIRC, not published until after his election):
http://blog.christianitytoday.com/ctpolitics/2008/11/obamas_fascinat.html
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NOTWITHSTANDING, his most recent and deeply confessing Christian declarations to date-—It’s a most desperate election year, dontcha know:
Address under discussion (Prayer Breakfast):
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/04/04/remarks-president-easter-prayer-breakfast
Remarks by the President at Easter Prayer Breakfast
East Room
9:43 A.M. EDT
THE PRESIDENT: Good morning, everybody. (Applause.) Please, have a seat. Have a seat. Well, welcome to the White House. It is a pleasure to be with all of you this morning.
In less than a week, this house will be overrun by thousands of kids at the Easter Egg Roll. (Laughter.) So I wanted to get together with you for a little prayer and reflection — some calm before the storm. (Laughter.)
It is wonderful to see so many good friends here today. To all the faith leaders from all across the country — from churches and congregations large and small; from different denominations and different backgrounds — thank you for coming to our third annual Easter prayer breakfast. And I’m grateful that you’re here.
I’m even more grateful for the work that you do every day of the year — the compassion and the kindness that so many of you express through your various ministries. I know that some of you have joined with our Office of Faith-based and Neighborhood Partnerships. I’ve seen firsthand some of the outstanding work that you are doing in your respective communities, and it’s an incredible expression of your faith. And I know that all of us who have an opportunity to work with you draw inspiration from the work that you do.
Finally, I want to just express appreciation for your prayers. Every time I travel around the country, somebody is going around saying, we’re praying for you. (Laughter.) We got a prayer circle going. Don’t worry, keep the faith. We’re praying. (Laughter.) Michelle gets the same stuff. And that means a lot to us. It especially means a lot to us when we hear from folks who we know probably didn’t vote for me — (laughter) — and yet, expressing extraordinary sincerity about their prayers. And it’s a reminder not only of what binds us together as a nation, but also what binds us together as children of God.
Now, I have to be careful, I am not going to stand up here and give a sermon. It’s always a bad idea to give a sermon in front of professionals. (Laughter.) But in a few short days, all of us will experience the wonder of Easter morning. And we will know, in the words of the Apostle Paul, “Christ Jesus...and Him crucified.”
It’s an opportunity for us to reflect on the triumph of the resurrection, and to give thanks for the all-important gift of grace. And for me, and I’m sure for some of you, it’s also a chance to remember the tremendous sacrifice that led up to that day, and all that Christ endured — not just as a Son of God, but as a human being.
For like us, Jesus knew doubt. Like us, Jesus knew fear. In the garden of Gethsemane, with attackers closing in around him, Jesus told His disciples, “My soul is overwhelmed with sorrow to the point of death.” He fell to his knees, pleading with His Father, saying, “If it is possible, may this cup be taken from me.” And yet, in the end, He confronted His fear with words of humble surrender, saying, “If it is not possible for this cup to be taken away unless I drink it, may your will be done.”
So it is only because Jesus conquered His own anguish, conquered His fear, that we’re able to celebrate the resurrection. It’s only because He endured unimaginable pain that wracked His body and bore the sins of the world that He burdened — that burdened His soul that we are able to proclaim, “He is Risen!”
So the struggle to fathom that unfathomable sacrifice makes Easter all the more meaningful to all of us. It helps us to provide an eternal perspective to whatever temporal challenges we face. It puts in perspective our small problems relative to the big problems He was dealing with. And it gives us courage and it gives us hope.
We all have experiences that shake our faith. There are times where we have questions for God’s plan relative to us — (laughter) — but that’s precisely when we should remember Christ’s own doubts and eventually his own triumph. Jesus told us as much in the book of John, when He said, “In this world you will have trouble.” I heard an amen. (Laughter.) Let me repeat. “In this world, you will have trouble.”
AUDIENCE: Amen!
THE PRESIDENT: “But take heart!” (Laughter.) “I have overcome the world.” (Applause.) We are here today to celebrate that glorious overcoming, the sacrifice of a risen savior who died so that we might live. And I hope that our time together this morning will strengthen us individually, as believers, and as a nation.
And with that, I’d like to invite my good friend, Dr. Cynthia Hale, to deliver our opening prayer. Dr. Hale. (Applause.)
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9:50 A.M. EDT
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For Immediate Release April 07, 2012 WEEKLY ADDRESS: Easter and Passover Greetings from President Obama
WASHINGTON, DC—President Obama used this week’s address to offer his warmest greetings to all who are celebrating Easter and Passover this weekend, and to reflect on the common thread of humanity that binds us together. President Obama wishes all Americans a joyful weekend focused on the wonders of our individual traditions as well as the values that unite us all.
Remarks of President Barack Obama Weekly Address The White House April 7, 2012
For millions of Americans, this weekend is a time to celebrate redemption at God’s hand. Tonight, Jews will gather for a second Seder, where they will retell the story of the Exodus. And tomorrow, my family will join Christians around the world as we thank God for the all-important gift of grace through the resurrection of His son, and experience the wonder of Easter morning.
These holidays have their roots in miracles that took place thousands of years ago. They connect us to our past and give us strength as we face the future. And they remind us of the common thread of humanity that connects us all.
For me, and for countless other Christians, Easter weekend is a time to reflect and rejoice. Yesterday, many of us took a few quiet moments to try and fathom the tremendous sacrifice Jesus made for all of us. Tomorrow, we will celebrate the resurrection of a savior who died so that we might live.
And throughout these sacred days, we recommit ourselves to following His example. We rededicate our time on Earth to selflessness, and to loving our neighbors. We remind ourselves that no matter who we are, or how much we achieve, we each stand humbled before an almighty God.
Christ’s triumph over death holds special meaning for Christians. But all of us, no matter how or whether we believe, can identify with elements of His story. The triumph of hope over despair. Of faith over doubt. The notion that there is something out there that is bigger than ourselves.
These beliefs help unite Americans of all faiths and backgrounds. They shape our values and guide our work. They put our lives in perspective.
So to all Christians celebrating the Resurrection with us, Michelle and I want to wish you a blessed and Happy Easter. And to all Americans, I hope you have a weekend filled with joy and reflection, focused on the things that matter most. God bless you, and may God bless the United States of America.
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Ending with where I began (RichInOC, post # 24):
“Pleased to meet you...hope you guess my name...
“But what’s puzzling you is just the nature of my game...”
Hmmm...Any “honest” comment that I would make here wrt this marxist scum would be absolutely un-Christian.
SueQ,
As much as I despise Øbama...David is referring to corrupt men around him, here are the first 7 verses in the chapter:
1 O God, whom I praise,
do not remain silent,
2 for wicked and deceitful men
have opened their mouths against me;
they have spoken against me with lying tongues.
3 With words of hatred they surround me;
they attack me without cause.
4 In return for my friendship they accuse me,
but I am a man of prayer.
5 They repay me evil for good,
and hatred for my friendship.
6 Appoint [a] an evil man [b] to oppose him;
let an accuser [c] stand at his right hand.
7 When he is tried, let him be found guilty,
and may his prayers condemn him.
I think he is not a Christian in any sense of the Word. [Nor does he seem to be a practicing Muslim, though he was educated in a Muslim school as a child, and is on record as describing the Muslim Call to Prayer as the most beautiful sound he has ever heard....]
Moreover, a person would have to be deranged to describe Obama as an "honest man": He lies through his teeth about anything and everything, all the time. I gather he believes the "end justifies the means" — the "end" being the total destruction and reconstruction of the United States, along "utopian" lines that are totally out of synch with the real world, not to mention the values, traditions, and institutions of the American people. So I just figure he's an atheist on a mission — straight out of Screwtape's Tempter's College....
It doesn't matter that "utopian dreams" have never worked out in practice, anytime they have been attempted.
Whatever. What is clearly evident to me is that:
(1) he has taken a wrecking ball to the American constitutional system;Et Cetera.
(2) he has systematically looted the American people, with impunity;
(3) he has systematically undermined America's strength in the international sphere, destabilizing relations with our allies and would-be enemies alike;
(4) he has done everything in his power to shackle our system of free-market capitalism.
(5) he has trashed the U.S. dollar (no wonder gas prices are rising — gasoline is a "dollar-denominated" commodity on world markets).
(6) He has made a seemingly effective bid to place one-sixth of the American economy under direct Federal administrative control.
(7) He has made direct threats to the First Amendment and is manufacturing a pretext to go after the Second, too. (What else are we supposed to think "Operation Fast and Furious" is all about?)
(8) He is at war with the several states on a variety of issues, preeminently including healthcare and immigration/border security/national security issues.
(9) He pursues divide and conquer political strategies and tactics, sowing the seeds of class and racial warfare....
In short, I believe down to my bones that this man is effectively running a criminal enterprise out of the White House. It doesn't help him that he is very likely unqualified to hold his office in the first place, inelibigle to be president under Article II, Section 1 grounds.
I know it is considered "tiresome" to say that nowadays, the so-called official long-form birth certificate having finally been released by this White House and the authorities in Hawaii after all these many years.
Still, the problem keeps surfacing in odd ways. A couple of weeks ago, for instance, I read in the British press a description of Obama as "the first Kenyan-born American president in history." (I don't know whether the comment was intended as tongue-in-cheek humor or a statement of approval.)
I doubt Obama was born in Kenya. I also doubt that he is a "natural born citizen of the United States." On the basis of his own statements, Obama acknowledges that he is the son of a Kenyan national/British subject, a citizen of the British Commonwealth. The historical understanding of "natural-born citizen" is a person born of two parents who are American citizens, including citizen parents "naturalized" before the time of birth. [See Vattel, The Law of Nations; the Framers evidently did.]
Anyhoot, IMHO this national election this year is all about removing the criminal conspiracy from the Executive Branch/administrative departments of our federal government. To me, this is Job One. If the American people don't do this, then I truly believe that the sphere of personal liberty in America, not to mention the powers of the several states, will shrink to a nonce under the further machinations of Obama II....
Ultimately, it's all about the defense of the Constitution of the United States of America, the written rule of law transmitted from generation to generation that defends and upholds individual liberty under just and equal laws. It defines a limited government of separated yet balanced powers that is utterly prohibited from exceeding the scope of the enumerated powers that the People delegated to it. It is the firm, indispensable foundation of the American Republic — not some sort of mutating or "evolving" set of rules, as the accolytes of "living constitution theory" ever insist it is.
Do not expect to hear anything sensible or rational out of atheist ideologues of whatever description. (JMHO FWIW)
Case in point: Obama evidently believes that one can use "rhetoric" to literally transform "reality." If enough people believe a statement, it then becomes literally "true" somehow, in the objective world.
Such an expectation can only be associated with black magic, or sorcery. It involves a rejection, no only of God, but of the natural world itself — the world of "objective reality" of daily, living human experience and the testimony of history going back to the dawn of recorded time....
Thank you ever so much, thouworm, for the informative links to some of Obama's recent double-speak fulminations....
You are spot on in every way. What a post!
Amazing, to say the least.
Thank you.
Watch for Obama to portray himself as very magnanimous about Romney's Mormonism, to even more play act the really nice, wonderful Christian. All the while he will be knowingly playing simple, trusting Americans, while the observant will be aware of the fact that this "Christianity" has suddenly taken wings and become highlighted at this election time when he thinks he will be running against a Mormon. Anyone can say all the right words to portray themselves as a wonderful Christian, when they are anything but, especially an amoral, con man.
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Mar 13:22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if [it were] possible, even the elect.
Mar 13:23 But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.
Also, remember that Satan was an angel of God’s. He was created a son of God. If Jesus, in the mind of Satan’s followers, is only a son of God, then Jesus, in their minds, doesn’t have any power that Satan doesn’t have. In the Satanist’s mind there is an ongoing battle between Jesus and Satan, that Satan will eventually win. That is why any cult or person that doesn’t recognize that Jesus is God come in the flesh, but thinks that He is merely an angel or a son of God, but not The Son of God, actually is a kin to and plays into Satan worship.
I could have added to the list of anti-constitutional offenses committed by the Obama Executive Branch against the Constitution of the United States, and the nefarious effects they have had so far.
I feel pretty sure you could add to this list yourself, from your own personal observations and experiences....
QUESTION: Does any rational (sane) person actually want another four years of this guy, who will likely act in his second term with virtually total impunity, to the purpose/in the process of destroying the Life, Liberty, and Property of the American People? Whose policies, if implemented, would have virtually incalculable fiscal/financial impacts on generations of Americans yet to be born?
I dunno. It seems that some of us today are so deep down into the weeds that we are missing the Big Picture.
To me, the "Big Picture" involves the removal of a criminal enterprise from the Oval Office. As I have said before, this is Job One.
What I don't understand at all is why people are seemingly so belayed by political and doctrinal arguments that the Big Picture has entirely collapsed for them. It seems nowadays, too many people succumb either to the magic of doctrinal rhetoric, or to the magic of Sorcerer's Tricks of misdirection and fundamental falsification of the natural order as ordained by God.
Given this basic befuddlement of the People, Obama imagines he has good, solid ground for the prosecution of his doctrinal strategy of class division and racial warfare. In terms of personal mentality and basic outlook, he's a "divide-and-conquer" kind of guy.... Or so I gather.
Hey, he's a by-the-book, Chicago-style, hard-left Progressive — i.e., a self-declared "community organizer," by talent, training, and ambition.
In the end, the only thing such critturs understand is Power. And they don't care by what means they secure and then defend it, assuming they can get it into their hands in the first place: "The End justifies the Means." Which is a license to LIE.
Islam actually celebrates this doctrine. It is called kaffiyah. The doctrine states that it is absolutely always correct to lie to a person outside of your community (Islam), if it serves the ends of your community (Islam). And of course, your community is organized "under Allah."
In short, it is entirely permissible to lie with impunity to any "infidel," defined as any person who does not share your particular worldview.
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It's been a very discouraging electoral season so far. Hopefully, things will get better from here. In what way, I do not know at the present time. So I pray....
In closing, I have a question for my dear brothers and sisters in Christ: What IF God may have actually chosen to use Romney as his principal "tool" in the present fight?
Is that question entirely idle, or dead on arrival?
Thank you once more, dear unkus, for your kind words of understanding and support.
Your grasp of the whole situation and those involves is exactly right. I think what you say here sums up the Evil One called 0bama and what he’s doing:
Islam actually celebrates this doctrine. It is called kaffiyah. The doctrine states that it is absolutely always correct to lie to a person outside of your community (Islam), if it serves the ends of your community (Islam). And of course, your community is organized “under Allah.”
That in no way says that Jesus had any doubts about anything.
Someone could not want to go through the most excruciating form of execution known to man. That doesn't mean He had doubts about it. Just that He wasn't looking forward to it.
That could just as easily mean that Jesus did not relish pain and abuse. In other words, He was sane. That's a crucial point, by the way.
There is absolutely no reason to conclude there were doubts.
betty: . It seems nowadays, too many people succumb either to the magic of doctrinal rhetoric, or to the magic of Sorcerer’s Tricks of misdirection and fundamental falsification of the natural order as ordained by God.
Spirited: Why do people succumb to Sorcerer’s Tricks? The success of dark magic relies on a number of destructive forces.
First off, there must be within the intended victim a weakness, an unfulfilled desire or longing for ‘something’ that renders him/her vulnerable to seduction. Second, there must be within the intended victim a willingness to be seduced, an openness to being overcome, a readyness to view the world darkly through the lens of the sorcerer.
And finally, it would not be possible for sorcerer’s magic to seduce if seeds of discontent were not within each and every one of us.
When Dr. Jekyl’s magic elixir was applied to his own discontent he was transformed into Mr. Hyde, Karl Marx into a demonically-occluded monster, Nietzsche into a madman, and Lenin, Trotsky and Stalin into murderers. When applied to certain segments of our population the transformation is into a mindless mob screaming for the death of George Zimmerman.
It is by means of these "seeds of discontent" that the sorcerer leads us into self-deception, self-delusion, and finally spiritual death.
So of course the sorcerer has every incentive to sow as many seeds of discontent as he possibly can. The rest is all (rhetorical) smoke and mirrors....
But it continues to astonish me that so many Americans today seem to be falling for the sorcerer's "tricks."
Thank you so very much for your outstanding insights, dear spirited irish!
2 Timothy 3
1This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Thank you so much for sharing your insights, dearest sister in Christ!
Moreover, the following observations you made cannot be emphasized often enough.
In short, I believe down to my bones that this man is effectively running a criminal enterprise out of the White House.
IMHO this national election this year is all about removing the criminal conspiracy from the Executive Branch/administrative departments of our federal government. To me, this is Job One.
Ultimately, it's all about the defense of the Constitution of the United States of America.
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America's immune system is overwhelmed by a virulent pathogen that the body politic 1) has never seen before, 2) has been late in diagnosing, 3) has underestimated in its degree of lethalness, and 4) is near paralyzed to remedy. Only by the grace and mercy of our Lord will this patient survive and begin to heal--- beginning, but by no means ending, with success at the ballot box.
Before America's immune system was set upon by the pathological Obama Adm, it had already been compromised by a spiritual disorder that prevented the body politic a healthy defense against the demonically-induced mass trance known as the Obama campaign of 2008. This disorder will not be cured by a Romney victory. A spiritual disorder requires a spiritual remedy.
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BTW, this was just plain brilliant:
Case in point: Obama evidently believes that one can use "rhetoric" to literally transform "reality." If enough people believe a statement, it then becomes literally "true" somehow, in the objective world.
Such an expectation can only be associated with black magic, or sorcery. It involves a rejection, not only of God, but of the natural world itself — the world of "objective reality" of daily, living human experience and the testimony of history going back to the dawn of recorded time....
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I would only add that not only do Obama and Oligarchy believe and expectIT (occult "thinking" rhetoric), they (more specifically, their predecessors) have deliberately and successfully used IT to undermine critical thinking in every institution in America, including the Church. Above all, the Church must be subsumed and the Christian worldview, condemned as socially aberrant and scientifically antiquated.
A god created in their own image is the only god who will satisfy, and a Jesus who can be "managed" is the only Jesus who will be tolerated. Bible-believing Christians are stubborn obstacles to their future plans --- first the antichrists mock; then they marginalize, divide or absorb; lastly, they persecute and seek to eliminate.
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Finally (and also overdue), is an acknowledgment of heartfelt appreciation for the posts between you and Alamo-Girl. I've taken to reading them periodically as a spiritual and intellectual feast. I regret that I only discovered them recently. The scripture "iron sharpeneth iron," never fails to come to mind.
Thanks again for such a thoughtful reply.
They have fabricated a "god" subordinate to - and authenticating no less - their many carnal desires.
Truly, the following passage describes just such a world:
For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. - 2 Timothy 3:1-5
Maranatha, Jesus!!!
Oh so very true, dear thouworm! I couldn't agree with you more. I touched on this problem in a more recent post, to which I pinged you....
I agree with you that "This disorder will not be cured by a Romney victory." A Romney victory would only buy us time. In comparison, an Obama victory would be the death knell of America as we know it.
Where is the "saving remnant?" Will they show up on November 6th?
If they don't, then I will draw the conclusion that God has forsaken America. For He works in the world through souls. If souls are "disordered," they cannot "help" restore the order ordained by God as the truth of His Creation. And the America we know and love will almost assuredly die in consequence....
Thank you ever so much for your splendid essay/post — I concur on every point you raised. And thank you also for your very kind words of support for my dearest sister in Christ, Alamo-Girl, and me.
Thank you so very much for sharing your insights, dearest sister in Christ!
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