Once Again I will Posit Adoption for Barack Obama.

Various | 3/1/2012 | DiogenesLamp

[DiogenesLamp]

I just finished Watching Sheriff Arpaio's press conference. The Sheriff's posse has concluded that the document was created on a computer and is therefore a forgery.

I will once again point out that if Obama was adopted, he would get a replacement birth certificate that will be designed to look like an original 1961 birth certificate, but it will in fact have been created by the Department of Health in the State of Hawaii at the Direction of an Hawaiian State Judge.

"The Obama was Adopted" theory addresses the "forgery" issue head on, and precludes it from being a crime. In my opinion, this is the simplest explanation for the fact that Obama's document looks cobbled together, and that Hawaii is tacitly confirming it as legitimate.

I will further add, (for those who have not already been so informed) that *I* was adopted, and *I* have a birth certificate which was created six years after I was born, and is in fact a replacement birth certificate that lists my new last name, new parent's names, etc.

This theory ties up a lot of the loose ends neatly (not all of them) and it doesn't involve believing that the Hawaiian government is involved in a criminal "conspiracy." I urge people to consider this idea before jumping to the conclusion that everyone involved with producing this document has committed a criminal act.

[mojitojoe]

Also, see my previous message with the link that shows Madelyn Dunham’s coworkers didn’t even know she had a grandson until they found out about it on television. This is NOT the behavior of a proud grandmother.
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Maybe they didn’t know because there was no grandson. Maybe it was her husband’s son but not hers. Concrete information is so scare that I find circumstantial evidence is probably more close to the truth, but that’s just my opinion
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I think Madelyn Dunham was VERY ashamed of Barry, and so therefore there are no fawning pictures of him until later, and the one of him on the tricycle was probably taken by Stanley Ann.

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Why would you assume the picture of him on the trike was taken by Stanley Anne. That picture could be of any little black kid and even if it was him, it could have been taken but a friend of Stanley’s, Gramps, or even FMD for all we know.

I trust nothing about them...NOTHING... too many inconsistencies and things that defy logic. I don’t think there is a single thing that could come out that would shock me.

[Flotsam_Jetsome]

"Does this explanation seem reasonable?"

Somewhat. I have seen my fair share of idiocy/incompetence on the part of government employees. A few things still bother, however:

1. Why would HDOH email a copy of the PDF construction to the WH?

2. If this kind of "built" document is a commonplace occurrence rather than a one-time event, you'd think that they would have the process systematized, and we should not see anomalies such as "TXE" and smiley faces in the registrar's stamp in the "document".

3. Why go all the way to Hawaii to physically pick up hard copies of the documents only to not go to the trouble of scanning the physical document?

4. If I'm reading you correctly, why would the PDF file sent by HDOH not have the green crosshatch? If such were the case, where then would WH staff have gotten such a background to add to the image that they were going to put up?

You've mentioned previously that you yourself were adopted and that a birth certificate was "built" for you six years after the fact. Does your "built" bc look like the "Obama" long form, complete with signatures, archaic-looking type and markings and whatnot?

Your theory may lie within the realm of possibility (he11, anything is possible with this guy), but a simpler answer would be that whatever "Obama"'s attorney picked up in Hawaii looks nothing like what was posted on the WH servers, and that the image displayed, even if created in the bowels of the HDOH, was not manufactured as part of an above-board, legal process within the constraints of Hawaii law, but rather in secret, and known to only a few highly trusted individuals. Wasn't it put out last year that a forgery had been created for Barry and inserted into the HDOH records, around February 2011 I believe it was?

I'm with Sheriff Joe: I want to see the original microfiche, serial number matched against other rolls in the same series.

[MHGinTN]

You cannot find on original microfiche what is not there. The state of Hawaii, being a liberal cesspool, has granted little barry bassturd a statement that he was born there. He wasn’t, but the state of Hawaii is so corrupted and the American judicial system so broken and in violation of their oaths to the Constitution that it now doesn’t matter where the lying halfrican commie was born. He is an affirmative action promotion by the sleazy democrat party and feckless Republicans. MOve along, this is no longer a Constitutional Republic under rule of actual law. e are ruled by a federal oligarchy. Barry Dunham is your master.

[UCANSEE2]

This is total nonsense!

That is possible. Do you have any proof?

only DNA would tell the truth about who BHO really is.

Yeah. Too bad they won't do a DNA test.

[UCANSEE2]

I have what I believe are good answers,

Yes, and you have done an excellent job of defending them.

Anyway, this way of looking at it makes sense to me.

Your version has just about as much chance of being right as mine (or many others).

I am only pointing out that there are other 'explanations', and getting you to consider them. I do not care nor expect you to drop your position and adopt mine. It's not about winning, being 'right', at least to me.

It's about trying to get all the food laid out on the table before I eat. Everyone brings something different to the table.

If not, it would be a boring meal.

[Flotsam_Jetsome]

Unfortunately, I believe you are correct on nearly all points.

"Barry Dunham is your master."

I believe that Barry is a sock puppet for the powerful forces that conspired (yes, conspired) to install him. For all we know, top minds in the national security apparatus may have studied the ongoing balkanization of the country and come to the conclusion that having this man placed in the presidency at this time was/is vital to the security interests of the nation.

I've read that there are no coincidences in politics. After hundreds of hours of reading on the subject of Barry's (Bari's?) hidden past, it has become beyond obvious to me that this man has had LOTS of help in hiding who he is, and in getting to where he is now. He's completely beholden to some extremely powerful figures, and those figures may not have America's best interests at heart.

[okie01]

Understand that I'm not arguing against the so-called NBC theory.

I am simply advising you of U.S. citizenship law as it was written, applied and generally understood in the sixties.

A minor child could not renounce his birthright claim to U.S. citizenship. Nor could his parents. Or anybody else. Period.

If you prefer to ignore this fact because it doesn't suit what you want to believe, you are welcome to do so.

[Brown Deer]

Apart from that, the Family lived in Oklahoma and Texas before moving to Washington.

Why don't you stop posting your BS lies here!

[Brown Deer]

...they were pretty prejudice in Kansas during the 1920s, and I can only assume it continued during the time Madelyn Dunham was growing up.

Wichita, Kansas, 1930:

[Brown Deer]

I think Madelyn Dunham was VERY ashamed of Barry...

[Fred Nerks]

You wrote: “I agree. I’m thinking he was adopted in 1965 when Stanley Married Lolo.”

I wanted to point out to you that her first passport application was dated in July 1965, and that was the passport from which she had the name SOEBARKAH removed, so he must have been on her US passport by that name in July 1965.
What you need now is the date of the Soetoro/Obama marriage and the date of the passport application. But you won’t be certain of anything, because she gave TWO marriage dates, and one was several days before the divorce from the kenyan was granted.

You suggested I read Lame Cherry’s explantion of the name;
I read a it long time ago and it’s utter garbage, there was never any need to fabricate the name SOEBARKAH from scraps of any other names, there is a village of that name in Indonesia, the name Soebarkah (written as Subarkah after Suharto) comes up as one of the pall-bearers for President Suharto, he was part of KORPASSUS, Indonesian Special Forces - it’s not me that needs to read up on things, you are the one limiting the discussion and research by your
narrow point of view.
There is also a very comprehensive family website for Soebarkah on the net.

Soetoro, sometimes written as SUTORO, was never known by anything like SOEBARKAH - his names were:

Lolo Soetoro, also known as Lolo Soetoro Mangunharjo[1][2] or Mangundikardjo,[3]

Sadly, although dedicated, you are not a researcher, you are trying to stuff your theories down the throats of everyone who reads here, and that means there is no progress. In your mind, there are only very limited possibilities;

AND ABOVE ALL ELSE, STANLEY ANN DUNHAM MUST REMAIN HIS MOTHER.

I got news for you.There’s a very very good argument that she wasn’t. (And I’ve got a son with a chin just like Stanley Armour Dunham, but he’s not related to him either.)

Open your mind.

[Fred Nerks]

“I’m thinking it may have been in Barack Sr’s Immigration files...”

And here they are....with a summary

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2712867/posts?page=1

http://www.scribd.com/doc/54015762/Barack-Hussein-Obama-Sr-Immigration-File

[Fred Nerks]

http://myveryownpointofview.wordpress.com/extra-extra-announcing-obamas-birth/

[Fred Nerks]

And you’re right to be skeptical of the entire scenario...now that the sheriff has discovered all the entry records into the US from overseas - between August 1 and Agust 9, 1961, ARE MISSING.

[little jeremiah]

Thanks. If a person wants to know the truth and is willing to give up fondly held beliefs to know the truth, they will know it. Whether temporal truth or eternal truth.

But if they do not want to know, it soon becomes clear.

[Plummz]

Understand that State Department documents say you’re wrong.

[LucyT]

Apart from that, the Family lived in Oklahoma and Texas before moving to Washington.

First. Stop posting lies.

Second. No one is interested in what you "think".

Third. Document your comments with links to back up your information, or get off this site.

[mojitojoe]

LOL!!!! So... I was right before I was wrong? Looks like DL is taking quite a beating.

[Plummz]

that was the passport from which she had the name SOEBARKAH removed, so he must have been on her US passport by that name in July 1965.

Actually the removed person's name said:

Barack Hussein Obama
(Soebarkah)

This most likely indicates he was on her passport as "Barack Hussein Obama" when they traveled from Hawaii to Indonesia, but he had since (in Indonesia) had his name changed to Soebarkah and was now an Indonesian national rather than American (and thus no longer on her passport).

[Fred Nerks]

You could be right...