Who’s a Christian?

coachisright.com ^ | Feb. 24, 2012 | Jerry Todd, staff writer

[Boogieman]

Well, plenty of people refer to them as beanies, maybe because they don’t know that they are called yarmulkes in another language. As for magic, I don’t know anyone who would call them that because Jews don’t ascribe magic powers or superstitions to them. Mormons, on the other hand, believe that the temple garments can protect them from evil. Seems to me that, by their superstition, they invite the derisive term on themselves.

[ansel12]

As a Catholic, Coach should know that his church says that Mormonism is not a Christian denomination, that a Mormon must convert to Christianity, if not to the Catholic church, then to a Protestant church.

[wildvortex]

Baal worship included much to do with feces. Remember the Virgin Mary portrait with elephant dung, the crucifix in urine and the OWS crapping all over everything, including police cars?

“Progressives” like to think they’re free of gods - but they always find their vacuum filled - if not with an idol, then themselves.

[wildvortex]

The post was not intended to be religious, but to point out that we are being dragged into a real spiritual battle on “progressive” terms.

Putting aside the faith base of the candidates, all of whom are light years above the current occupant, the idea was to provide an indisputable authority to shut them up.

What do we get instead? Apparently 1st Amendment deniers who drag their sectarian interpretations into the argument. Good job! Jim Wallis, BHO’s “spiritual adviser” would be proud of you!

BTW, if I as “author” am to KYA, where to? Your Mom’s basement or at an OWS demonstration? You pays your money, you take your chances.

[Ghost of Philip Marlowe]

I’d say that’s an excellent response.

I’d only add that as we debate, we need to take control of the argument itself. I’d have added this to the end of that reply:

“And as we watch the Eurozone melting because of excessive debt and economists are increasingly turning their eyes to America as potentially the next Greece, I believe it is foolish to ask Americans, who are suffering under approximately 11% real unemployment and approximately 20% underemployment, to hand over more of their earnings to fund yet another socialist program. It is exactly these sorts of socialist programs that has led to the economic woes the western nations are facing. If President Obama cannot see past this reality because he is so focused on forcing his socialist policies on Americans, then he needs to be replaced with someone who can show us true leadership in this our time of crisis.”

[AnTiw1]

bokassa crowned himself emperor of central africa before declaring himself an 'apostle'...was twice condemned the to death for the bloody massacres of children in 1979 during which he was charged with cannibalism...and declared to the end that he was a fervent christian

adolph hitler declared himself christian and began a 'positive christianity' movement for his third reich...blending racial purity with christian doctrine

mussolini was a practicing catholic...fidel castro also claimed to be christian though excommunicated from the catholic faith...saddam had family who were christian and he claimed he held secret christian beliefs to diplomats when it served his purpose, his 2nd in command Tariq Aziz was a practicing christian, he was in charge of the atrocities against the kurds...

and we all know barack obamas a christian...maybe someone needs to remind him

Jesus judges those who use His name by their fruits...'by their fruits you shall know them'...the jewish exorcists were casting out demons and curing, not ensnaring the weak into a mind controlling cult...if they had, the phrase 'better a millstone be put around their neck and cast into the sea' seems to apply

what are the 'fruits' of the mormon cult?

lets try LYING, FRAUD and BLACKMAIL, MIND CONTROL, CHURCH AUTHORITIES CONCEALING ABUSE, just for starters...

i can fill this thread with thousands of testimonies why the 'fruits' of the mormon cult are destroying peoples lives...but I want to really be surprised and find one person who can get past their programming and do a mouseclicks worth of investigation on their own...im tired of carrying water uphill to mormon horses who don't want to drink (they just want to baptize dead people with it)

and one note both to mormons, the author of this article, and the poster of this thread:

you know what the difference between a mormon and a mormon apologist is?

'a person who lies hides the truth,

one who tells half lies, has forgotten where they put it'

[SZonian]

“1st Amendment denier”? Where? Who’s 1st Amendment did I deny? I saw in your post an attempt to silence those who refute and rebut heresy.

If I misunderstood, my apologies, but gauging by the tone and content of your last comment, I don’t think so.

And with that, as an ex-mormon who has been born again, I’ll tell you again to come KMA if you’re promoting “silence”, since I’m not going to ever give up exposing the truths of mormonism when given an opportunity.

And anyone who thinks they’re going to try and use peurile, amateurish tomes to shut me up has another thing coming. Afterall, isn’t the 1st Amendment a 2 way street? I guess for some it is.

Oh, wait. Isn’t that like an Alinsky tactic or something? Yeah, that’s it the “ridicule” one when you have no other argument.

TTFN

[Matchett-PI]

Nice addition. bttt

[Elsie]

As a lifelong Catholic...

You apparently do NOT go along with what your chosen church says about MORMONism.

[Elsie]

Trying to shame Christians into not responding to the challenges mormons are making.

WHAT 'challenges'??

THESE???

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Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).

Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).

 

 

 

Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).

 

 

 

Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).

 

 

 

Orson Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses

, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).

 

 

President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).

 

 

 

James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).

 

 

 

President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).

 

 

 

More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).

 

 

 

President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).

 

 

President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).

[Elsie]

“Do you really care, or are you continuing the campaign to distract from Obama’s efforts to destroy this country?”

“Do you really care, or are you continuing to advance Satan's campaign to distract from ROMNEY’s religion, in efforts to destroy as many human souls as possible?"

[wildvortex]

Apology accepted. The purpose of the piece was to discourage tearing our candidates apart before the vetting process is completed. I stated I understood Mormonism and have no dispute with your experience. A family that came to our (Catholic) Bible study was leaving the Mormon Church and I personally witnessed the pressures they were under.

Since the intent of the piece was not to compare religions but to hear out the candidates. Certainly you have noticed Romney has never been able to climb above 25% acceptance. Maybe we have to give the Holy Spirit some credit for the gift of discernment. This doesn’t mean he won’t be the nominee, so my suggestion is to keep our cards a little closer to the vest.

As for who is kissing what, let me give you a metaphor: If you put your wife and your dog in the car trunk for a half hour, which one will be happy to see you when you let them out? Have a great weekend!

[SZonian]

Fair enough, I misunderstood.

The dog.

[T Minus Four]

Would anyone be so insensitive as to call a yamaka a magic beany cap?

I don't know where this question came from, but in answer...I would if the wearer was so stupid or deceived to believe that wearing such a "garment" was a requirement to enter the so-called highest level of heaven and checked a block for attaining god-hood. Not to mention protecting the wearer against real and imagined spiritual and physical threats.

Yeah, I'd mock it.

[Elsie]

Someone said GARMENT!!

GOOD Mormons are Temple Worthy - they pass this test EVERY year:

Temple Recommend Questions

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1 Do you have faith in and a testimony of God the Eternal Father, His Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost?

2 Do you have a testimony of the Atonement of Christ and of His role as Savior and Redeemer?

3 Do you have a testimony of the restoration of the gospel in these the latter days?

4 Do you sustain the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as the Prophet, Seer, and Revelator and as the only person on the earth who possesses and is authorized to exercise all priesthood keys? Do you sustain members of the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles as prophets, seers, and revelators? Do you sustain the other General Authorities and local authorities of the Church?

5 Do you live the law of chastity?

6 Is there anything in your conduct relating to members of your family that is not in harmony with the teachings of the Church?

7 Do you support, affiliate with, or agree with any group or individual whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?

8 Do you strive to keep the covenants you have made, to attend your sacrament and other meetings, and to keep your life in harmony with the laws and commandments of the gospel?

9 Are you honest in your dealings with your fellowmen?

10 Are you a full-tithe payer?

11 Do your keep the Word of Wisdom?

12 Do you have financial or other obligations to a former spouse or children? If yes, are you current in meeting those obligations?

13 If you have previously received your temple endowment:

Do you keep the covenants that you made in the temple?
Do you wear the garment both night and day as instructed in the endowment and in accordance with the covenant you made in the temple?

14 Have there been any sins or misdeeds in your life that should have been resolved with priesthood authorities but have not been?

15 Do you consider yourself worthy to enter the Lord's house and participate in temple ordinances?

 

 

1 Timothy 4:1-2
1. The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.
2. Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron.

 

1 Timothy 1:3-4
3. As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain men not to teach false doctrines any longer
4. nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. These promote controversies rather than God's work--which is by faith.

 

1 Timothy 6:3-5
3. If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching,
4. he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions
5. and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain.

Temple Recommend Questions

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1 Do you have faith in and a testimony of God the Eternal Father, His Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost?

2 Do you have a testimony of the Atonement of Christ and of His role as Savior and Redeemer?

3 Do you have a testimony of the restoration of the gospel in these the latter days?

4 Do you sustain the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as the Prophet, Seer, and Revelator and as the only person on the earth who possesses and is authorized to exercise all priesthood keys? Do you sustain members of the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles as prophets, seers, and revelators? Do you sustain the other General Authorities and local authorities of the Church?

5 Do you live the law of chastity?

6 Is there anything in your conduct relating to members of your family that is not in harmony with the teachings of the Church?

7 Do you support, affiliate with, or agree with any group or individual whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?

8 Do you strive to keep the covenants you have made, to attend your sacrament and other meetings, and to keep your life in harmony with the laws and commandments of the gospel?

9 Are you honest in your dealings with your fellowmen?

10 Are you a full-tithe payer?

11 Do your keep the Word of Wisdom?

12 Do you have financial or other obligations to a former spouse or children? If yes, are you current in meeting those obligations?

13 If you have previously received your temple endowment:

Do you keep the covenants that you made in the temple?
Do you wear the garment both night and day as instructed in the endowment and in accordance with the covenant you made in the temple?

14 Have there been any sins or misdeeds in your life that should have been resolved with priesthood authorities but have not been?

15 Do you consider yourself worthy to enter the Lord's house and participate in temple ordinances?

 

1 Timothy 1:3-4
3. As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain men not to teach false doctrines any longer
4. nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. These promote controversies rather than God's work--which is by faith.

 

1 Timothy 6:3-5
3. If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching,
4. he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions
5. and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain.

[bonfire]

Amen!

[greyfoxx39]

New tagline.

[svcw]

LOVE IT!!!!!!

[greyfoxx39]

Click here:Is THIS an example of Romney's "Christianity"??

[metmom]

IBTZ?