Posted on 12/17/2011 9:58:17 PM PST by Seizethecarp
Gutfeld: So, um, do you feel that you have settled that question about the origins of, ah, ah, President Obama's birth certificate?
Trump: Well, yeah, look, look, very simple, and you know I was on Barbara Walters yesterday she asked the question. Unfortunately, she cut the hell out of my answer and left like the last three words and people don't know what it, what it meant. Although I was honored to be on, but, you know, she cut that in, but she asked the same thing. Look, his mother, to the best of everybodies knowledge, was never in that hospital. OK. The document may have been tampered with according to many, many people. OK. You've got grandmothers and you have people in his family who say he wasn't born in this country. OK. Forgetting all of that, do I think he was born here? I have no Idea. I personally cannot say one way or the other. You know that the mother, there are no records. There are no records that the mother was ever in the hospital. With all of that being said, folks, I'd rather focus on the economy and jobs and how to get the country back. But, ah, If you ask me was he born (here?) I really can't tell you.
We have been on this birther issue for years and it isn’t going anywhere until we have a solid conservative governor for HI and a Republican legislature. That’s the hard truth.
“When was he naturalized?”
A very misguided and/or misleading rhetorical question. It assumes that all born citizens are NBC, and disregards the possibility of being a born citizen who does not meet the NBC definition of being born “in country to citizen parents.”
Since passage of the 14th Admendment the US has formerly recognized “born” citizenship for persons other than those meeting the Natural Born Citizenship circumstance.
While Natural Born Citizens are by far the greatest % of all born citizens, not all “born” citizens are Natural Born Citizens.
Obama is one of those persons whose birth to an American mother and a foreign father makes him a born (no need to naturalize) US citizen, but does not meet the criteria for NBC status.
Obama’s pro-offered birth certificate(s) are prima facia evidence that he fails to meet the Article II standard for Presidential eligibility.
Arguing about the place of birth is an Obama generated and promoted red herring to redirect attention from the underlying issue of his ineligibility due to divided loyality parentage.
Your posting of the above question identifies you as either woefully ignorant of the issues involved, or a troll promoting the Obama agenda. There are no other possibilities.
So which are you?
“......and he was not naturalized after returning from Indonesia, where many documents list him as an Indonesian citizen by adoption.”
There are numerious USSC cases that were decided on the idea that a parents actions, subsequent to a child’s birth, cannot alter his/her citizenship status. The courts have always held that actions of the child, upon reaching majority, are the determining factor.
To my knowledge Obama has never formaly renounced his US citizenship as required by law . There is, however, a legitimate question about whether or not he accepted a Fulbright Scholorship by claiming to the US goverment that he was an foreign Indonesioan citizen/student when he was in his early twenties by signing an affidavid to that effect when submitting his application for the scholarship. The question then becomes whether or not signing that application constitutes formal rejection of US citizenship and acceptance of the Indonesian citizenship at his adoption to Soetero.
An interesting question that will never see the light of day in a court of law......
Any so called evidence that could be suspect, because it was planted disinformation such as photos or “witnesses”, I’ve personally eliminatd from consideration. What’s left is compelling. Photographs can be altered by photoshop and “witnesses” paid to lie. We now know that newspaper birth announcements were altered by film being spliced
If baby Barry was born in Hawaii, and mother and baby lived in Seattle, why would the State Department claim that her passport records for the early 1960s have been destroyed? If they lived in Seattle, why take correspondence courses from a nearby university? She wouldn’t, because they weren’t living in Seattle.
Thanks. That’s good proof. Why doesn’t Trump bring light to this??? He, of all people could do so.
Did the baby come back? Corsi in his book summarizes well, but his witness statements that lil Barry was in Seattle from the babysitter and Blake are not reliable. There were other witnesses, friends of Stanley Ann who never mentioned a baby. Why not? Was Barry raised by “grandma” Sara? And Stanley Ann picks him up later? Her whereabouts are unaccounted for after Spring quarter 1962 at Univ of Washington til Spring quarter 1963 at Univ of Hawaii.
Everyone has watched the video of Susan Blake, one of Stanley’s friends form Mercer island, Washington, recount the visit from Stanley and Barry in August ‘61. Are you inferring the account is a fabrication?
We have also seen the documents from the University of Washington stating that Stanley was a student there.
You fail to consider that if Stanley did take courses at the University of Washington, that information about her child and his birth information would be on file in the Washington States Department of Records. What? you ask? Because I am sure that Stanley Ann asked for state assistance and all of the information would have to be provided. A good detective could have it all there for us in a week.
This is not true if the birth certificates are forged, which they appear to me to be...
When Stanley was in Seattle she had a babysitter. The babysitter was living at the same boarding house she was at.
Susan Blake’s video account is correct. Stanley and baby Barry were there in Seattle the summer of 1961. The question is; what would a mother with a 3 wk old child be doing traveling at that time? Was she traveling on her way back from Kenya via Washington to Honolulu? At that time, the international airport in Honolulu was just being built, and Stanley would not have been able to fly directly from Kenya to Honolulu, but only through Seattle. Also, before 1972 there were restrictions on newborns flying on planes before they were 6 weeks old. According to her University of Washington transcripts, Stanley started classes on August 19, 1961.
Now do you get the Seattle connection?
IIRC the secretary of state of cal kept Eldridge Cleaver off the ballot because his BC showed he was too young.
Remember that the HI stonewalling worked for three years on the short form BC...until it didn't work. It failed due to Corsi and Trump using the court of public opinion, the ACTUAL supreme court, to first roll Gov. Abercrombie, then Chris Matthews and then Obama...leading to release of a forged LFBC!
Similarly, the long form HI stonewalling could be breached it the right force is applied at the right time.
Arpaio sounds like he has found some evidence that could roll over the HI defenses.
What could that evidence be?
1.Documents that escaped being expunged by the Obama scrub team...perhaps from Kenya.
2. Witnesses that haven't been bought off by Obama thugs...perhaps from Kenya.
3. Additional forensic analysis of the LFBC pdf conclusively showing that it was artificially created.
I recognize that Stanley Ann Dunham Obama took correspondence courses from the University of Washington, and stated as such.
I’m claiming that she wasn’t residing in Seattle, much less Washington State, during the early years of her son’s life.
She disappeared from sight in Hawaii, April 1961, and did not reappear there until 1962.
SEIU is a public employees union controlled by the communist, Wade Rathke. These people have had since 2006 to taint records all across the U.S.A.
I happened to be watching that show, at least part of it.
Was surprized at Eric Bolling’s sympathetic treatement of Trump.
I like Trump. I like the fact he was not ridiculed.
The Five is a sort of more-serious version of Red Eye. Good show.
See my reply #40. SADO took an extension course, likely a night course, NOT a correspondence course, which would have been tabulated separately on the transcript, if there were any.
State Dept said records prior to 1967 were destroyed but did not specify whether they were only records of an initial passport application from around 1965 or whether the records included an initial application from 1961 plus a renewal in 1965, IIRC.
In either case the passport records don't seem to me to have any effect on whether or not SADO was in WA beginning in late August of 1961 (she was, IMO). The passport records can only tell us whether she was somewhere else before then.
“...The passport records can only tell us whether she was somewhere else before then.”
BINGO.
All passport records have not been destroyed. Folks have come forward and stated that they’ve had no problem accessing their earlier records.
It is very difficult to get any records pertaining to Obama, his parents or his grandparents via FOIA. If you are successful, the likelihood those records have been tampered with are great.
Yes, I am.
Blake is a far-left liberal who would have said anything to support the Zero legend.
Blake commented that Stanley arrived with baby and were heading to Boston to meet up with Obama Sr. Sr. was never at Boston at that time, not until one year later. Stanley was back at her old stomping grounds Mercer Island with name in directory, and attending Univ of WA, yet no mention by Blake she resided there.
“My father was naturalized at age 9, when his parents became US citizens. We have papers.”
What papers would your father have? Was he born in the USA or in another country?
My mother was not a citizen when I was born yet all I have is her Citizenship Papers.
I know of nothing issued in my name to naturalize me.
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