Posted on 12/17/2011 9:58:17 PM PST by Seizethecarp
Gutfeld: So, um, do you feel that you have settled that question about the origins of, ah, ah, President Obama's birth certificate?
Trump: Well, yeah, look, look, very simple, and you know I was on Barbara Walters yesterday she asked the question. Unfortunately, she cut the hell out of my answer and left like the last three words and people don't know what it, what it meant. Although I was honored to be on, but, you know, she cut that in, but she asked the same thing. Look, his mother, to the best of everybodies knowledge, was never in that hospital. OK. The document may have been tampered with according to many, many people. OK. You've got grandmothers and you have people in his family who say he wasn't born in this country. OK. Forgetting all of that, do I think he was born here? I have no Idea. I personally cannot say one way or the other. You know that the mother, there are no records. There are no records that the mother was ever in the hospital. With all of that being said, folks, I'd rather focus on the economy and jobs and how to get the country back. But, ah, If you ask me was he born (here?) I really can't tell you.
By what seems to be prearrangement, Trump appears to have asked to be given the chance to get his full statement on the air without editing. I say prearrangement because the statement is a very political, lawyerly statement full of contradictions which allow Trump the straddle the issue.
On the one hand had he claims with near certainty that Obama's mom was never in the Kapiolani hospital, but on the other had he says, "Forgetting all of that, do I think he was born here? I have no Idea."
Also indicating prearrangement are the smirking, squirming looks on the faces of all of The Five, especially Perino, who is on Rove's Birther Suppression Team. They all seem to know what Trump is going to unload and can barely contain themselves. Greg makes numerous attempts to interrupt and talk over The Donald, but Trump plows on seeming to be reading his script and wanting to make sure he finishes all of his disclaimers before the segment gets finished or cut off.
Kind of let Trump lay it all out there loaded with self-protecting disclaimers obviously drafted by Trump's lawyer?
Forget this “birther” issue. The more appropriate question is whether Obama’s parents were both US citizens at the time of his birth and the indisputable answer is no. Therefore, Obama does not meet the constitutional qualification of a “natural born citizen” Now it’s up to the RNC to make the case to some red states to enact legislation requiring proof of “natural born citizenship” as defined above before they can be placed on a state or federal ballot. If Obama challenges this, then let’s see how the courts handle this.
When was he naturalized?
You would think with all this hubbub over his BC and being that he is POTUS at least SOMEBODY would come forward and say "Oh I remember when she came back from the hospital with the little Demon" but nooooo. Not even a peep. Herman Cain merely runs for POTUS and they can find every last woman on earth he flirted with from the past umpteen years but not ONE person who remembers when the Noob was spawned or even when he was growing up or even his teachers in school saying such things as "Oh I remember the little Marxist Demon quite well in my 1st Grade class. He would shake down little Joey Moskowitz for his lunch money and redistribute it to the other kids" but nooooo we never hear anything even remotely lke that. . WTF is THAT? Have I missed hearing about these people?
The Five asked Donald Trump if he would like to be added to their panel and be the sixth guy on the show. He said he would absolutely love it.
Again?
“Natural Born” citizen and naturalized are two different things. “Natural Born Citizen” is a qualification to be president. It is not defined in the constitution. But the Framers understood this term to mean that both parents must be citizens at the time of the candidates birth.
For me Obama’s parenthood is not “indisputable” due to his apparently forged HI LFBC and failure to legally release HI to in turn legally release the original or certified copies directly to any other independent judicial discovery or investigative experts.
With only a forged BC in evidence I do not know who his father or mother are OR where he was born. Therefore I do not know whether Obama satisfies either of the TWO constitutional requirements of having been born in country to citizen parents as HELD in Minor v. Happersett.
The question of ‘constitutional eligibility’ is as nebulous (read a number of FR posts) as the question of his ‘birth certificate’. One should be validated as much as the other. The entire aura of Obama’s being needs to be exposed or made transparent if a politically correct term is to be used.
The question of ‘constitutional eligibility’ is as nebulous (read a number of FR posts) as the question of his ‘birth certificate’. One should be validated as much as the other. The entire aura of Obama’s being needs to be exposed or made transparent if a politically correct term is to be used.
The term “naturalized” has been assumed by most, including you apparently, to mean that a person born of a foreign allegiance may by disavowal of that allegiance and a swearing of allegiance to the United States, and by meeting certain specified requirements become a citizen of the United States.
More broadly, the term “naturalized” can refer to ANY type of citizenship conferred by statute, including any type of citizenship at birth that is not “natural born”, i.e. NOT deriving from the operation of natural law, but by the operation of a statute.
Natural born citizenship is a citizenship that precedes the State and is superior to it. It is a type of citizenship that can not be revoked by the State since the State did not confer it in the first place.
Obama is not this type of citizen. He is a citizen (if he is one at all) by operation of the Naturalization Act. He is not a Natural Born Citizen.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2016211/posts
http://theobamafile.com/_family/ObamaDunhamMarriage.htm
According to a speech Gov. Richardson of New Mexico gave in 2008 (in Spanish), Obama is an immigrant.
According to Neil Sankey, a private investigator, Obama attended Occidental College as a foreign student as he had a federally funded scholarship for foreign students. If he did naturalize it would likely have been after leaving Occidental.
You think that when mother, Stanley Ann was in that boarding house in Seattle with the newly born, Barack (or whatever his name was then), that she would have boasted about having the baby, what hospital she had the baby and how hard it was to fly all the way over to Seattle so she could go to the University of Washington. You would think that somebody in that boarding house would have talked to Stanley Ann about all kinds of things and remembered something about it. You would think that those in that boarding house would have boasted publically about seeing Barack Obama as a baby and would have told as much as they could remember about mom and baby. Finally, they would have told about why the father was not with them because in that day, a missing father was a big deal and moms in that day were anxious to tell what happened to the father.
It is these questions that cause me to call Barack “Zer0.” It is a good name for him because we have absolutely zero information about his past.
If I was a private detective, I would love to find out the missing information about Zer0’s past. I would leave no stone uncovered. Then I would publish all I got in a book. Too bad people have missed out on this golden opportunity.
Yes, the Framers and 17 guys on the internet. I have seen all this before too many times to count. I'll take Mark Levin's word over mysterious internet constitutional expert.
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