Men Don't Lust After Your Wives--Mature Content

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[mainestategop]

So could some catholics explain this to me?

[GeronL]

That is mighty angelic of you. lol

[sayuncledave]

Actually, no, you didn’t.

You said, “They were compiled by Pope Gregory I around the year 600, and you’re correct - there is no such term in the Bible. It is purely a Catholic term.”

In all seriousness, and without malice, I realize I was likely being too literal, but that is my tendency, to be literal. Your statement, in direct response to the phrase you quoted, implies that, in the most literal sense, either “sin” or “lust” is not in the Bible. But, again, that’s literalistic thinking for you. Perhaps you meant as you’ve now stated. Fine by me. I was merely pointing out, in what was intended to be a somewhat genteel fashion, the relative lack of clarity.

[maryz]

As I understand it, the phrase “Capital Sin” is more apt than “deadly sin.” The idea is that all other sins fit into these seven categories.

it’s an organizational chart; caput = head; they are headings for the lists of sins)

The way we learned it (OK, in grammar school) is that the other sins flow from them; or, as Baltimore II puts it, "they are the chief reasons why men commit sin." Sounds more like the roots of sin rather than the caput, I know. Maybe to keep the proper image, we might say "The fish rots from the head!" ;-)

[maryz]

The one omitted by St. Gregory the Dialogist was self-esteem.

I find it hard to believe that the modern notion of "self-esteem" even existed in Cassian's time, and surely he didn't write in present-day English! I don't recall encountering the phrase in anything written before the 60s, though it might have been a "term of art" in therapeutic circles before that. What is the Greek(?) word being translated as "self-esteem"?

He writes about what a subtle vice it is, how it finds an opening in the practice of any virtue (see how well I fast. . . see how humble I am. . . ).

We learned of this by the term "spiritual pride" (incidentally, there's a passage about it, I think under that name, in Eliot's Murder in the Cathedral.

[vladimir998]

You wrote:

“it is one of the seven deadly sins, agreed. However, does the bible mention these sins anywhere? or are they a fabrication of the vatican?”

What?

Have you never read Matthew 5:28?

[Minn]

I’d say the odds that the host of this video is not either secretly gay or a regular visitor of brothels is 50/50.

[maryz]

self-esteem. The way it’s taught or inculcated is dangerous nonsense

Maybe 20 or 30 years ago, I saw a bit -- just a filler -- in a newspaper to the effect that, according to "mental health experts" [sic], those with an inflated view of themselves are more mentally healthy than those with a more realistic view. I was utterly bemused and fascinated by the notion of a "health" that depended completely on vanity and falsehood! No doubt why I still remember it.

[vladimir998]

Sexual desire for your wife is different from lust.

Catechism of the Catholic Church 2362 “The acts in marriage by which the intimate and chaste union of the spouses takes place are noble and honorable; the truly human performance of these acts fosters the self-giving they signify and enriches the spouses in joy and gratitude.”145 Sexuality is a source of joy and pleasure:

The Creator himself . . . established that in the [generative] function, spouses should experience pleasure and enjoyment of body and spirit. Therefore, the spouses do nothing evil in seeking this pleasure and enjoyment. They accept what the Creator has intended for them. At the same time, spouses should know how to keep themselves within the limits of just moderation.146

Best brief book on Theology of the Body: http://www.amazon.com/Men-Women-Are-Eden-Theology/dp/0867167009

[PapaBear3625]

I’m Catholic, been lusting after my wife for 30 years, don’t intend to stop now.

[verity]

Good for you, Bear.

[kenavi]

King David lusted after Batsheva in that he sent her husband off to certain death in order to possess her for himself. The prophet reprimanded the King strongly for his crime, and David accepted his guilt.

The fruit of their union would be King Solomon.

[SuziQ]

...I’m a lay-Catholic that gets to Church early to get one of the good seats in the back of the Church.

*snort* I used to harangue my Confirmation classes, when they showed up for the first class, and immediately took the back seats. I told them not to be 'back seat Catholics', and to move up to the front. Did they same thing when we had to meet in the Church; told them to move to the front. ;o)

[GOPJ]

Proverbs 6:16-19

New International Version (NIV)
Facts make discussions so much easier. Seven deadly sins...

Proverbs 6:16-19

16 There are six things the LORD hates,
seven that are detestable to him:
17 haughty eyes,
a lying tongue,
hands that shed innocent blood,
18 a heart that devises wicked schemes,
feet that are quick to rush into evil,
19 a false witness who pours out lies
and a person who stirs up conflict in the community.

[SuziQ]

I don't think what you two have is real 'lust' as the video describes it, as much as strong sexual desire for your wives. Nothing at all wrong with that. As my hubby says, "And God made sex, and it was VERY good.";o)

You each want to please your wife as much as you want her to please you. It's a two way street; you're not just using your wife for your own pleasure, and disregarding her needs or wants. That would be lust.

[Shanty Shaker]

Actually, the child that was born in adultery died. Solomon was the second born of the relationship.

[Craftmore]

Didnt the Bible,say within the marriage bed there is no sin?

[Castlebar]

Travis, salud!

Seriously, NEVER stop telling her how gorgeous she is.

Especially when she tells you to stop, NEVER stop telling he how gorgeous she is.

[The_Reader_David]

Alas, I have my copy of The Philokalia in Sheppard's English translation, and do not have a Greek copy of Cassian's The Eight Grievous Vices to hand. His description of the vice, though, bears a remarkable similarity to what folks in "therapeutic circles" pass off as a virtue, and the Sheppard translation was done recently enough that Sheppard would have been aware of the modern usage in Englishing the Greek. Anyone who teaches at an American university can recognize the vice has been inculcated in incoming undergraduates, and as a contributing factor in some of them being almost ineducable.

[gusty]

Is that you Agent Van Alden?

[SkyPilot]

Actually, the “seven deadly sins” are a reduced version of the Eight Grievous Vices catalogued by St. John Cassian in a brief work of the same title in the late fourth or early fifth century. The one omitted by St. Gregory the Dialogist was self-esteem. They also have parallels in the Ladder of Divine Ascent by St. John Climacus, a monk of St. Catherine’s Monastery in Sinai, a contemporary of St. Gregory, who is honored by the Orthodox with commemoration on one of the Sundays of Great Lent.

You are better off sticking with the Bible. It is much more instructive.