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Saturday’s GOP Debate: It’s Going to Get Nasty
PJ Media ^ | December 8, 2011 | Ryan Mauro

Posted on 12/10/2011 5:31:04 AM PST by Kaslin

Newt Gingrich is in for a rough ride.

Newt Gingrich has huge leads nationally and in Iowa, South Carolina, and Florida. He’s creeping up on Romney in New Hampshire. There is only one more debate featuring all the candidates left before the January 3 caucus in Iowa, a mere three weeks away. This means that Saturday is do-or-die for every other candidate. They must all bring down Gingrich, and they won’t do it gently.

Look at Gingrich’s poll numbers to get an idea of the task ahead for his rivals. The RealClearPolitics poll averages show him ahead by about 12 points nationally, 12 points in Iowa, 21 points in South Carolina, and the latest poll out of Florida has him 13 points ahead of Romney. In New Hampshire, Romney is ahead by an average of 12 points, but the momentum from a Gingrich victory in Iowa could make it close.

That means his rivals need Gingrich to suffer a double-digit reduction in support over three weeks, especially those that are dependent upon performing well in Iowa. This will be hard, but not impossible. Polls show that about 55% of likely voters in Iowa and South Carolina, 48% in New Hampshire, and 53% in Florida are willing to change their minds. This suggests that tonight’s debate is going to be very rough on Gingrich.

Gingrich says he won’t be an “attack dog” against the others and this is a wise strategy. He got this far by minimizing his scuffles with rivals. The criticisms of Romney are already well-known and bringing them up won’t do any good. His main weakness — and Romney’s biggest strength — is electability. If Gingrich mounts a swift and persuasive defense against the charges brought against him tonight, primary voters will become more confident that he can take on Obama. It will also arm Republicans with rebuttals to the future attacks he will face if he is the nominee. His goal tonight is to appear like a winning general election candidate.

Mitt Romney is going on the offensive against Gingrich. He is describing him as a Washington “insider,” hoping to leverage anti-establishment sentiment in his favor. Romney will criticize him on immigration and his leadership as speaker of the House to depict him as an ineffective and unstable leader. Romney will make the case that Gingrich is a visionary, but is unprepared to implement that vision. He’ll also emphasize his strong family relationships in order to bring attention to Gingrich’s personal baggage.

Romney’s campaign is going after Gingrich personally, but it is questionable whether Romney will do that on stage and risk it backfiring on him. In a conference call this week, former New Hampshire Governor John Sununu and former Missouri Senator James Talent harshly criticized Gingrich. They called him “irrational,” inconsistent, and self-absorbed. It will be hard for Romney to artfully do this himself tonight, so he may continue to rely on surrogates. If his campaign can make voters feel like Gingrich is pompous and condescending, Romney may be able to turn Gingrich’s intelligence into a liability.

Ron Paul has put out the most vicious attack ad on Gingrich. Its message is that Gingrich is basically corrupt and it hits him for supporting an individual health care mandate. In recent days, Paul has called him a “counterfeit conservative” and says he must “expose” him. This language indicates that this will be his most confrontational debate yet and for the first time, he’ll have most of his rivals backing him up

Michele Bachmann has been the harshest towards Gingrich in person. She has gone so far as to call him (and Romney) a “frugal socialist” and accuse him of being a “poster child for crony capitalism.” Her main criticism of him on policy has been his, in her words, “long history of supporting amnesty.” She also says he’s gotten rich off of “influence-peddling” and questions his credentials as a conservative.

At the same time, she’s been changing her style to be more like Gingrich. During her speech to the Republican Jewish Coalition on Wednesday, she adopted his promise to authorize the movement of the U.S. embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem immediately after the inauguration. She’s also become more of a policy wonk, throwing out details, facts, and statistics to show her depth of knowledge. She is willing to go toe-to-toe with Gingrich and she can fight. Ask Tim Pawlenty.

Rick Santorum is more hesitant to go after his long-time friend, but is the only candidate specifically calling out Gingrich on his personal history and for having an oversized ego. In interviews where he is asked about Gingrich’s baggage, Santorum has no problem saying, “Character is definitely an issue.” He says that leaders must exercise humility and that voters must consider how a candidate handles success.

On policy, he’s focused on Gingrich’s views on illegal immigration and criticizes him for putting social issues in “the back of the bus” as speaker. Santorum, unlike the others, may be able to wait to swing because he and Gingrich are the only two scheduled participants in the December 27 Newsmax debate with Donald Trump as the moderator. If the event is not canceled, that will be Santorum’s time to draw a sharp contrast.

Rick Perry says he’ll stay above the fray and that he’s counting on Romney and Gingrich to knock each other out. His main objective tonight is to compete with Gingrich over the evangelical vote. He is the candidate that has come the closest to bringing up Gingrich’s three marriages. “I didn’t make an oath just to my wife. I made an oath to God when I married my wife,” Perry recently said. He may make that point again tonight, even though it could come off as too low of a blow.

Jon Huntsman has chosen to campaign in New Hampshire instead of take part in tonight’s debate in Iowa. It is puzzling why a candidate longing for media attention would forfeit the exposure. However, he will have an opportunity to contrast himself with Gingrich on Monday when the two have a Lincoln-Douglas-style debate.

Gingrich will have the biggest target on his back tonight that any candidate has had so far.


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To: etradervic; Kaslin
Today’s hit piece by Peggy Noonan has set the stage.

I think Ryan Mauro has nailed it. This will be an attempt to bring down Gingrich - and the only one who can possibly benefit is Romney. None of the others have enough support to come anywhere close, and if they take Gingrich out of the race, they're not going to get his supporters, or certainly not enough of them individually to make a big difference for their campaigns.

This piece by Noonan was published twice this week by the WSJ, IIRC. I know I read it earlier in the week and I believe it was in the print edition of Weds. or Thurs, as well as today's print edition. So this means the WSJ is also trying to take down Gingrich, and the approach they are going to use is "brilliant but unstable." "Too many ideas." "Too confrontational."

I see nothing unstable about him; he does have a lot of ideas, but since when is this a bad thing? Noonan seems to have forgotten that Reagan had a lot of ideas. Some of them were good, some of them were not. I say this as someone who lived in California during his governorship.

But he was good at getting the better ones out there and getting support for them and making them reality. And Gingrich would probably be the same, and because these are new ideas, the old guard is quaking in their boots. Noonan thinks she's truly with it, but her glory days were nearly 30 years ago now. That's ancient history in these times, which need new solutions, especially after the attempted Marxist take-over we are witnessing now.

41 posted on 12/10/2011 8:11:14 AM PST by livius
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To: Mr. Jeeves

Sad to see there are FReepers who are assigning their own superficial comparisons to the American voters’ judgement.

Newt’s passion and intellect are mesmerizing - Obama emits the hissing-snake sound when he pronounces ‘s’....he is NOT a gifted orator - if his speech-writers gave him Shakespeare on the teleprompter, it would still sound wooden or snarky seventh grade.

Since we are contemplating the ‘Hollywood’ measurement of beauty vs. beast - remember the compelling plots where the villain is a pretty boy and the hero is a short, rumpled everyman. (Peter Falk in Columbo comes to mind).

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/UglyHeroGoodLookingVillain


42 posted on 12/10/2011 8:20:19 AM PST by sodpoodle ( Gingrich - flying solo - without congressional baggage!!!)
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To: KalaSamy
Thank you.

Thankfully I have a DVR.

43 posted on 12/10/2011 8:26:33 AM PST by Lakeshark
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To: KalaSamy

Why on earth are Republicans letting debates be moderated by George Stephanopoulos of all people?


44 posted on 12/10/2011 8:41:25 AM PST by TheRealDBear
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To: LimberJim

Anyone have info on if this will be on TV? Being on HellNet, online video streaming gets me in the dial-up speed corner real fast.


45 posted on 12/10/2011 9:18:34 AM PST by X-spurt
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To: xzins; Kaslin; P-Marlowe; Jim Robinson
Someone explain to me slowly, because I have trouble figuring things out, why in the debates the person to bring down has always the contender to Romney's lead?
The media has pushed this...heck, even conservatives have been pushing this.
NO ONE ever writes article after article against Romney. No one slings truckload after truckload of sheisse at Mittens. No one has commentaries on TV against Romney. The conservative geniuses in our galaxy of stars...Coulter, Krauthammer, et al...all overtly or covertly belittle everyone except Romney.

Romney is their guy. The commentaries against him are always the same and always brushed-over with the caveat that Romneycare is his largest hurdle.

They're members of the GOP-E and 2012 is "Romney's turn." It's the GOP-E way, much like there's a "Chicago Way" of doing business.

As for tonight's debate, with George Stephanopoulos moderating, if he thinks he's going to pose the gotcha question(s) to Gingrich, I'm already looking forward to Gingrich smacking the smirk right off Georgie's smug fat face.

:)

46 posted on 12/10/2011 9:37:27 AM PST by onyx (PLEASE SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC:DONATE MONTHLY! Sarah's New Ping List - tell me if you want on it.)
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To: sodpoodle

Indeed. All attackers have failed miserably. We are not stupid, but campaign managers and handlers sure are.

Gingrich is ruling the polls largely because of the debates, and not just because he’s the most knowledgeable on every issue and the most articulate, but because he hasn’t engaged in attacks, except to smack the media questioners/moderators.


47 posted on 12/10/2011 9:44:24 AM PST by onyx (PLEASE SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC:DONATE MONTHLY! Sarah's New Ping List - tell me if you want on it.)
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To: RoosterRedux

Romney can’t win without the South, and he can’t win the South. He is unelectable.


48 posted on 12/10/2011 9:52:17 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: X-spurt

ABC, 9 pm Eastern.


49 posted on 12/10/2011 11:05:25 AM PST by LimberJim
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To: X-spurt

ABC, 9 pm Eastern.


50 posted on 12/10/2011 11:05:57 AM PST by LimberJim
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To: LimberJim

Thanks!


51 posted on 12/10/2011 1:01:18 PM PST by X-spurt
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To: cripplecreek
I’d like to hear someone ask Newt about his new book.

What dat about?

52 posted on 12/10/2011 1:06:16 PM PST by La Enchiladita (Newt says amnesty isn't amnesty.)
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To: La Enchiladita

The fact that he’s lying to the American people would be a good start.

After all, he sat there and said on national TV that he made a mistake about global warming while he knows damn well that his book promoting his global warming fantasies is due for publication after the election.


53 posted on 12/10/2011 1:11:37 PM PST by cripplecreek (Stand with courage or shut up and do as you're told.)
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To: Lakeshark

ABC, 6 pm Pacific time.

Is anyone else gagging at the prospect of this debate being moderated by little George Steponallofus and smarmy Diane Sawyer???


54 posted on 12/10/2011 1:17:22 PM PST by La Enchiladita (Newt says amnesty isn't amnesty.)
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To: trisham

Depends on who his veep choice would be.


55 posted on 12/10/2011 1:18:44 PM PST by La Enchiladita (Newt says amnesty isn't amnesty.)
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To: TheRealDBear
Why on earth are Republicans letting debates be moderated by George Stephanopoulos of all people?

Mitt, Huntsman, Paul, Perry and Bachmann all prefer that a debate be moderated by the likes of Stephanopoulos.

Having Trump moderate a debate, not so much.

56 posted on 12/10/2011 1:26:07 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: La Enchiladita
Depends on who his veep choice would be.

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It doesn't matter. The South won't vote for him. He's everything that they distrust and despise. His family is no help to him either.

57 posted on 12/10/2011 2:47:46 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: La Enchiladita

That does it...I’m sure not watching knowing that! Blech!


58 posted on 12/10/2011 5:16:26 PM PST by luvie (This tagline reserved for a hero.......)
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