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FEDERAL AGENTS DEMAND CUSTOMER LISTS FROM MORMON FOOD STORAGE FACILITY
Liberty News Online ^ | 12/9/11 | OathKeepers.org

Posted on 12/09/2011 5:30:06 AM PST by Kartographer

Oath Keepers has learned that federal agents recently visited a Later Day Saints (Mormon) Church food storage cannery in Tennessee, demanding customer lists, wanting to know the identity of Americans who are purchasing food storage from the Mormons.

This incident was confirmed, in person, by Oath Keepers Tennessee Chapter President, Rand Cardwell. Here is Rand’s report:

“A fellow veteran contacted me concerning a new and disturbing development. He had been utilizing a Mormon cannery near his home to purchase bulk food supplies. The man that manages the facility related to him that federal agents had visited the facility and demanded a list of individuals that had been purchasing bulk food. The manager informed the agents that the facility kept no such records and that all transactions were conducted on a cash-and-carry basis. The agents pressed for any record of personal checks, credit card transactions, etc., but the manager could provide no such record. The agents appeared to become very agitated and after several minutes of questioning finally left with no information. I contacted the manager and personally confirmed this information.

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TOPICS: Conspiracy; Food; Government
KEYWORDS: agenda21; getreadyhereitcomes; preparedness; prepperping; preppers; shtf; survivalping
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To: af_vet_rr

Clearly you haven’t been paying attention the aren’t worried about voters.


41 posted on 12/09/2011 7:04:12 AM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: af_vet_rr
Nope. If it gets to that point, then I have nothing left to loose. It'd be time to start collecting heads.

And yeah, I live on acreage with heavy woods and rive access, private well/septic, etc...

42 posted on 12/09/2011 7:06:07 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: af_vet_rr
While I agree with you that they should have had a warrant, it does jive because they are pretty strict about people buying in bulk from places and reselling it. I just looked at Costco's website and if you are going to buy their products to resale them, you have to get a business account and provide the appropriate resale information for tax/business purposes.

I don't see how that's relevant. Costco isn't required to keep a record of the names of everyone the sell to, and provide it to the IRS on damand. If you're buying from Costco for resale, it's your repsonsibility to do the paperwork and report it to the IRS. If you didn't do it, the IRS should be coming after you, not Costco.

43 posted on 12/09/2011 7:08:40 AM PST by tacticalogic
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To: Dick Tater
Uh hello, they went to a Mormon food distribution center. Or does "Mormon cannery" mean "some dude's pantry" to you?

Like I said, you're talking small beans, compared to Costco or Sam's. We don't even know what kind of "federal agents" they were or the name of the cannery. This information should be easy to verify, but it's missing. Mormons have a persecution/doomsday complex to begin with, which is why they used to insist on two years, then one year, now three months of food storage. I always thought it was funny that they were required to have a massive amount of food in case the second coming of Jesus Christ happens during their lifetime.
44 posted on 12/09/2011 7:10:00 AM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: rktman
The little discount cards that you could get from them to save you some money when in fact they are being used for inventory control but also tied to you so if “someone” wanted to track what you were buying every week it would be real easy. Cash is king.

When getting one of those member cards, they still work fine when you supply a fictitious name and address.

45 posted on 12/09/2011 7:15:35 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.)
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To: wastoute
Like you, I suspect that when the gummint checks stop there will be many folks running around “with their hair on fire”.

I don't suspect at all - if you could cut off all food distribution and sales today, there will be people in serious trouble just a week or two out. There are people who think they are okay for a few weeks, but remove electricity or natural gas from the equation, and they will be in trouble.
46 posted on 12/09/2011 7:17:13 AM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: coloradan

“What the @#$% does the federal gov’t want to know this for? The store should have copied the credentials of the agent before taking any questions.”

WHY INDEED?????

Anti-Hoarding Laws and Executive Orders

Congress has 30 days to object to an Executive Order (EO) before it becomes law. No objections were raised against these Command and Control emergency “Readiness Laws” when they were put in place. Has the emergency arrived that needs them and are they slowly being introduced?

Bill Clinton grouped together the following EOs under EO #12919 released on June 6, 1994. These are the tools used to shred the Constitution and take away your rights under its protection: Each EO number is linked to its full content:

10995 — Federal seizure of all communications media in the US (tested last month).
10997 — Federal seizure of all electric power, fuels, minerals, public and private.
10998 — Federal seizure of all food supplies and resources, public and private and all farms and equipment (including what you are storing for emergencies in your home right now).
10999 — Federal seizure of all means of transportation, including cars, trucks, or vehicles of any kind and total control over all highways, seaports and water ways.
11000 — Federal seizure of American people for work forces under federal supervision, including the splitting up of families if the government so desires (this happened before in Europe during the Nazi regime).
11001 — Federal seizure of all health, education and welfare facilities, both public and private.
11002 — Empowers the Postmaster General to register every single person in the US.
11003 — Federal seizure of all airports and aircraft.
11004 — Federal seizure of all housing and finances and authority to establish forced relocation. Authority to designate areas to be abandoned as “unsafe,” establish new locations for populations, relocate communities, build new housing with public funds.
11005 — Seizure of all railroads, inland waterways and storage facilities, both public and private.
11051 — Provides FEMA complete authorization to put above orders into effect in times of increased international tension of economic or financial crisis (FEMA will be in control in case of “National Emergency”).

These EOs are not aimed at anti-hoarding but rather at seizure or confiscation of items and facilities “to provide a state of readiness in these resource areas with respect to all conditions of national emergency, including attack upon the United States.”

You’ll find most ‘seizure’ legislation ends with this phrase. These Executive Orders don’t define what specifically constitutes a national emergency…The specifics on hoarding are left up to the individual states.


47 posted on 12/09/2011 7:17:42 AM PST by phockthis
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To: Kartographer
Clearly you haven’t been paying attention the aren’t worried about voters.

They may not care about individual voters, but they damn sure care about lobbyists. That's a topic for another thread, but if we could dry up that lobbying and campaign money, it would solve a lot of problems with Congress.
48 posted on 12/09/2011 7:18:41 AM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: af_vet_rr
small beans? Not so much. And the bigger difference is that Costco and Sams dont give it away like the church does.

As to Mormons having a persecution complex, you dont think it's warranted? Look at the ridiculous bigotry on THIS website towards them - and the douches on this site profess to be the live and let live types. As for doomsday, not so much. The advice is to be prepared for hard times, not the EOW. ...and it's still 1 year.

49 posted on 12/09/2011 7:21:06 AM PST by Dick Tater
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To: af_vet_rr

Exactly my point. I don’t think one needs 6 months of food. In 6 days there will be plenty of food (for the survivors). Smart folks would be learning how to gain knowledge that will be invaluable when trying to survive... Knowledge is imperishable (to the point of memory anyway) and can’t be taken from you without your consent.


50 posted on 12/09/2011 7:23:04 AM PST by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: tacticalogic

what is a “mormon cannery” vs a regular cannery?

does the author mean mormon owned? or is this some sort of anti-mormon thing?


51 posted on 12/09/2011 7:23:45 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: tacticalogic
I don't see how that's relevant. Costco isn't required to keep a record of the names of everyone the sell to, and provide it to the IRS on damand. If you're buying from Costco for resale, it's your repsonsibility to do the paperwork and report it to the IRS. If you didn't do it, the IRS should be coming after you, not Costco.

Except that Costco and Sam's do require you to inform the cashier if you are purchasing it for resale purposes and you are required to provide the valid state tax information with your membership application. If they had no responsibility whatsoever, then they wouldn't be required to collect that information with your membership and they wouldn't require you to inform the cashier.

What we need is the name of the cannery and the types of federal agents and who they were representing. Right now we are faced either with the Alex Jones scenario of government control or some agency not getting the taxes they think they deserve and there is a pretty big difference between the two.

If I'm reselling goods and making a profit and not reporting it and somebody gets wind of it, they are going to be talking to places they think I did business with. That's why we need the name of the cannery and the types of federal agents and who they are representing.
52 posted on 12/09/2011 7:27:16 AM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: Dick Tater
small beans? Not so much. And the bigger difference is that Costco and Sams dont give it away like the church does.

The cannery was not giving away food - it clearly stated in the article that customers were "cash and carry", not "carry" and like I said, they probably do a fraction of the business that a large Sam's Club or Costco does.

As to Mormons having a persecution complex, you dont think it's warranted? Look at the ridiculous bigotry on THIS website towards them - and the douches on this site profess to be the live and let live types.

I'm one of those bigoted douches who puts some of the Mormon beliefs up there with the Scientologists and Muslims. And the Mormons brought a lot of the persecution upon themselves. A lot of folks were not too fond of some of the stunts they pulled in the 1800s.
53 posted on 12/09/2011 7:32:26 AM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: af_vet_rr
If I'm reselling goods and making a profit and not reporting it and somebody gets wind of it, they are going to be talking to places they think I did business with.

Then they'd be looking for the people you sold to, not the people you bought it from. That you bought it proves nothing. They need proof you're selling it.

54 posted on 12/09/2011 7:35:16 AM PST by tacticalogic
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To: Kartographer

Confirmed report of an uncomfirmed report received from an unknown person at an unknown cannery involving an unknown manager and unknown federal agents in an unknown town or city.

=8-)


55 posted on 12/09/2011 7:40:55 AM PST by =8 mrrabbit 8=
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To: =8 mrrabbit 8=
Confirmed report of an uncomfirmed report received from an unknown person at an unknown cannery involving an unknown manager and unknown federal agents in an unknown town or city.

After reading about the FF investigation, that's about as definitive as it gets when dealing with a federal agency any more.

56 posted on 12/09/2011 8:07:35 AM PST by tacticalogic
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To: Notwithstanding

That they have to keep records doesn’t explain why they need to KEEP those records?

Do you if Sams Club regularly hands over copies of customer records without a reason (meaning without a warrant).

And even if it’s a tax issue, how is the names and addresses of every customer going to help determine the sale.


57 posted on 12/09/2011 8:43:35 AM PST by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: af_vet_rr

I have nothing else nice to say to you. I dont care for bigots and bullies.


58 posted on 12/09/2011 8:54:16 AM PST by Dick Tater
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To: Georgia Girl 2

***Because when the SHTF the Feds want to be able to go around and collect food from all the “hoarders”.***

My Brother-in-law’s parents ranch in Texas was raided in WWII because they had a supply of home canned food. The law took it all. They survived by having a second cellar hid out in the hills with enough to get them through till the next year.


59 posted on 12/09/2011 9:00:45 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Well, there ya go. A good lesson to be learned.


60 posted on 12/09/2011 9:07:46 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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