FEDERAL AGENTS DEMAND CUSTOMER LISTS FROM MORMON FOOD STORAGE FACILITY

Liberty News Online ^ | 12/9/11 | OathKeepers.org

[Kartographer]

Oath Keepers has learned that federal agents recently visited a Later Day Saints (Mormon) Church food storage cannery in Tennessee, demanding customer lists, wanting to know the identity of Americans who are purchasing food storage from the Mormons.

This incident was confirmed, in person, by Oath Keepers Tennessee Chapter President, Rand Cardwell. Here is Rand’s report:

“A fellow veteran contacted me concerning a new and disturbing development. He had been utilizing a Mormon cannery near his home to purchase bulk food supplies. The man that manages the facility related to him that federal agents had visited the facility and demanded a list of individuals that had been purchasing bulk food. The manager informed the agents that the facility kept no such records and that all transactions were conducted on a cash-and-carry basis. The agents pressed for any record of personal checks, credit card transactions, etc., but the manager could provide no such record. The agents appeared to become very agitated and after several minutes of questioning finally left with no information. I contacted the manager and personally confirmed this information.

[af_vet_rr]

I didn't think about the church getting involved in organized commerce and perhaps running afoul of regulations. That's a far simpler explanation and more likely scenario.

The article just babbles about DHS wanting to know who is stockpiling food in case of an apocalypse of some sort so they could target those people, which is dumb. If the government is going to confiscate food to control people, they are going to do it at the source of production or distribution.

The federal government doesn't have the resources to search 85 million households, but they do have the resources to take control of distribution centers and they could put the majority of those 85 million households under their heel within just a few months if they control those distribution centers.

[Dead Corpse]

Looks like the Feds are gearing up for a run at us "preppers".

If we aren't dependent upon them, then we are a THREAT.

[af_vet_rr]

But my thought is that they could be building a case to close such facilities.

I'd like to see them try and shut down Wal-Mart/Sam's or Costco. Lots of voters and lobbyists would make it known to their Congress folks that they aren't happy about something like that.

[tacticalogic]

According to the article, they're not wanting to know what they sold, and for how much. They're wanting to know the names of the people they sold it to.

This doesn't appear to be about commerce, but about finding out who's got a food stash.

[trisham]

The agents appeared to become very agitated and after several minutes of questioning finally left with no information.

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What kind of "federal agents" were these? Is it likely they would just leave after "several minutes"? Wouldn't they have a warrant?

[Georgia Girl 2]

“What the @#$% does the federal gov’t want to know this for? The store should have copied the credentials of the agent before taking any questions.”

Because when the SHTF the Feds want to be able to go around and collect food from all the “hoarders”. I hate to have to say this but what did you think you were buying up weapons and ammo to protect your survival food from? The Feds must know something is about to happen soon. My guess is they are well aware we will be facing a total economic collapse in the next 18-24 mos. That’s why they have passed that Armed Forces Defense Bill so they can pick up American citizens off the street and hold them indefinitely and that is why they are hiring contractors to open up the FEMA camps. Welcome to the police state.

[tacticalogic]

I didn't think about the church getting involved in organized commerce and perhaps running afoul of regulations. That's a far simpler explanation and more likely scenario.

That doesn't jive with them wanting a list of customers. They weren't asking for the sales records of what they sold, they wanted a list of names of the people they sold it to. If it was the IRS, I think they's have shown up with a warrant. This sounds more like they're trying to bully them in to giving up information they're not obligated to provide.

[Dick Tater]

You’re one of those “If you have nothing to hide” people aren’t you?

[af_vet_rr]

If we aren't dependent upon them, then we are a THREAT.

Actually, you are not a threat. If we are talking about the ultimate 1984 scenario, they will still most likely bring you under their control in the end, because they won't stop at food - they'll control the fuel, they'll control things like the power grid, natural gas, the hospitals, water, highways, etc. Unless you are on a farm in the middle of nowhere and are prepared to go without electricity and natural gas, and can raise your own food and provide your own water source, they will control you within a short amount of time - it maybe 3 months, it maybe 9 months, but they will put you under their heel when your food or water runs out or you need major medical care of some sort.

In a true nation-wide emergency, the people they are going to worry about the most are the types of people like the idiots on "Occupy Wall Street", because there will be 10s of millions of those pricks running around, setting things on fire, breaking into grocery stores and government offices and doing what they can to shut down the government and businesses.

They are also going to be worried about the people who can't take care of themselves, similar to a lot of people in New Orleans during Hurricane Katrina, because those people will start dying in droves.

Hell, look at what happens with winter storms and power outages that last a week or two and how many people rapidly get themselves in trouble. The majority of people in this country are probably just one to two weeks from being in serious trouble if something happened and they couldn't get to the local McDonalds or Wal-Mart.

[wastoute]

Information is power. Noriega learned this. If the Fed Gov knows where the “6 month” or “24 month” supples of food for a family of 6 are in various communities this info will be power they can dish out drop at a time to local politicians to play the game. If you are storing that much food and ANYONE knows it, then the probablility you will actually be the one to eat it dwindles. Sorry to be a wet blanket. Bullets keep better than food anyway...

[Dick Tater]

They aren't going to waste their time piddling around with searching our pantries, they are going to go to the source of the food. They are going to go to Kellogs, Pilgrim's Pride, Borden, or to the distributors like Wal-Mart, Safeway, etc.

Uh hello, they went to a Mormon food distribution center. Or does "Mormon cannery" mean "some dude's pantry" to you?

[HereInTheHeartland]

It sounds like more info can be found, along with maps of the secret FEMA camps!

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=A+fellow+veteran+contacted+me+concerning+a+new+and+disturbing+development&btnK=#q=A+fellow+veteran+contacted+me+concerning+a+new+and+disturbing+development&hl=en&prmd=imvns&ei=txviTtKXEuqviAKDwNj2Bw&start=20&sa=N&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=b3da78f8c008cf8b&biw=1095&bih=703

[Brookhaven]

They’re trying to identify “domestic terrorist”.

The Obama adminstration has recently added “has stockpiled food as emergency rations” as a warning sign that someone is a potential domestic terrorist.

Other warning signs on the list include:

* Owns a gun
* Has a Gadsden flag bumper sticker on their car
* Is a fundamentalist Christian

[Jack Hydrazine]

And while the door-to-door preparedness assessments in Tennessee appears to be well intended (and we spoke with a friendly state preparedness officer who said it was motivated by the recent natural disasters in Tennessee), Americans are well justified in being concerned about such efforts and how that information may be used in the future, in light of these other well documented and confirmed incidents of federal law enforcement collecting information on those who purchase preparedness items and indicating that the purchases of those items may be “indicators of terrorist activity.”

Yup, Mr. Whitey McCrackerhonkey is the terrorist and not Muzzies like the Ft. Hood one that went on a jihad and murdered 17 infidels. His act was one of “workplace violence.” It could have been a “man-made disaster” too if it had turned into something more than that.

[wastoute]

Like you, I suspect that when the gummint checks stop there will be many folks running around “with their hair on fire”. Kurt Vonnegut wrote about a similar scenario decades ago and he called them “The Army of Mars”. I suspect that like “The Army of Mars” folks with their hair on fire will last about as long. We really only need to worry about how to survive that brief period and then pick up the pieces and move on. As Beck has predicted, the trick will be how to keep the plutocrats and thugs from “getting to the pieces first.”

[Jack Hydrazine]

I heard some similar on-goings during the Clinton administration with Janet “Sterno” Reno.

[af_vet_rr]

That doesn't jive with them wanting a list of customers. They weren't asking for the sales records of what they sold, they wanted a list of names of the people they sold it to. If it was the IRS, I think they's have shown up with a warrant. This sounds more like they're trying to bully them in to giving up information they're not obligated to provide.

While I agree with you that they should have had a warrant, it does jive because they are pretty strict about people buying in bulk from places and reselling it. I just looked at Costco's website and if you are going to buy their products to resale them, you have to get a business account and provide the appropriate resale information for tax/business purposes.

And Sam's Club is a lot more in-depth about resales:

Use of Resale Permit or Transaction of Privilege Tax License (“Tax-Exempt”)

Business Member must declare to the cashier any merchandise being purchased for resale or otherwise tax-exempt.
A tax-exempt organization may purchase tax-free. All items purchased must be used exclusively by the tax-exempt organization for tax-exempt purposes only.
To obtain tax-exempt purchasing privileges, Members must present a valid State Tax-Exempt number or Sales and Use Tax License (or photo copy) with a Membership application and renew it once every three years at Sam's Club.
If the Member buys any property for resale and uses that property for anything other than retention, demonstration or display while holding it for sale, the law requires the Member to report and pay tax, measured by the purchase price or other authorized amount.
Member will hold Sam's Club harmless from and will indemnify Sam's Club against any claim, loss or expense occurring from any failure to comply with Resale Permits or Tax-Exempt requirements, and Membership will be subject to immediate forfeiture.

[tacticalogic]

Or a fedgov employee. Your tax bill is their livlihood, and that changes your perspective.

[rktman]

You mean “not yet” are they required to keep track of you. That was one thing I always hated at some of the supermarkets. The little discount cards that you could get from them to save you some money when in fact they are being used for inventory control but also tied to you so if “someone” wanted to track what you were buying every week it would be real easy. Cash is king.
Unfortunately we are in a transitional period after moving and have no place to store/stockpile our emergency rations. Hopefully that will be solved soon. Even had to sell a bunch of ammo before the move but have since been able to acquire some replacement. Keep ‘em dry and smoke ‘em if you got ‘em.

[af_vet_rr]

If the Fed Gov knows where the “6 month” or “24 month” supples of food for a family of 6 are in various communities this info will be power they can dish out drop at a time to local politicians to play the game. If you are storing that much food and ANYONE knows it, then the probablility you will actually be the one to eat it dwindles. Sorry to be a wet blanket. Bullets keep better than food anyway...

If I buy bulk food, how is the government going to know that it's going in my pantry? How do they know it's not going straight to my church, or to be used up at a big party or family reunion? How do they know that my family is not going to start in on that food that very day and that it could be gone in 3 months at which point I buy more?

Now the government was wanting to really track what we buy and do - under Bush, the government tried to create the Information Awareness Office which could have built up solid profiles of every American citizen. But at the end of the day, short of physically coming into my house and inspecting my pantry, they still have no clue what I have.

I agree that bullets keep better than food, but honestly, there are not enough people who have 6 weeks worth of supplies, let alone 6 months, to register on the government's radar.

Hell, if starting right now, the food disappeared from convenience stores, grocery stores, restaurants, and people had to live off what they had in their residences, there are going to be plenty of people in serious trouble 6 days from now, let alone 6 weeks or 6 months or 24 months.