[No One Special]

Patients over 70 will likely only be provided "comfort care" for such maladies as brain bleeds.

[WhistlingPastTheGraveyard]

I heard this live yesterday. It was so profoundly disturbing it defies description.

Seniors are about to become the new unborn.

[napscoordinator]

Well than Mark Levin, IMMEDIATELY endorse Michele Bachmann and we will see Obamacare gone as her first duty. She is so passionate about getting rid of it that I believe she would do it. It is not at all just talk. People want to nominate the most ridiculous people who would not get rid of Obamacare (they say they will but I doubt it). Michele is the only one that wants it erased from our reality.

[simplesimon]

I heard the call last night. It was beyond scarey.
And how the left just crapped all over Sarah for calling it what it truely is : Death Panels.

I should have written down all this guy said but I was too dumbfounded to hear him, a brain doc , actually say this.

[Marathoner]

This needs to go viral. If the Repubs had half a brain (which I doubt) they could ride this all the way to victory next year.

[mosesdapoet]

Heard the conversation on Tuesdays 8-11 pm rebroadcast on WJR Detroit am760 and then recarried on 9-12pm WLS am890 Chicago. checked out his website
http://www.marklevinshow.com/
And the audio clip does not seem to be there

[bitt]

cross thread
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2811322/posts?page=54

[TBP]

Remember, Democrats are the party that thinks old people have a duty to die.

[No One Special]

In a Kindly Manner
by Gary Bachlund

In a kindly manner,
You will be put to work,
And in a kindly manner,
You’ll not be allowed to shirk.
In a kindly manner,
We’ll set you to your task,
And in a kindly manner,
You’ll not be allowed to ask.
You will not be kindly allowed to be
Poor or idle, but like it or not,

If you balk at our good work
You’ll be taken out and shot.
In a kindly manner.

“I also made it quite clear that Socialism means equality of income or nothing, and that under Socialism you would not be allowed to be poor. You would be forcibly fed, clothed, lodged, taught, and employed whether you like it or not. If it were discovered that you had not character and industry enough to be worth all this trouble, you might possibly be executed in a kindly manner; but whilst you were permitted to live you would have to live well.” George Bernard Shaw, Intelligent Woman’s Guide to Socialism and Capitalism, p. 470.

http://www.bachlund.org/Collected_Poetry_IV.htm#In_a_Kindly_Manner

[Future Useless Eater]

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Transcript...

Caller: I heard you talking earlier about the government not knowing how to make pencils, and then you talked about brain surgeons, and I happen to be a brain surgeon, so I found your topic very interesting. And actually, I just returned from washington DC, where we were reading over what the Obama Health Care Plan would be for advanced neurosurgery for patients over 70, which we all found quite disturbing.
...
Because as our population gets older the majority of our patients ARE getting over 70, which requires stroke therapy and aneurysm therapy, and basically what the document stated, was if you're over 70 and you come in to an emergency room and you're on government supported care, that you get 'comfort care'.

Levin: wait an minute... what? what document? what's the source for this?

Caller: This is the Obama's new health care plan for advanced neuro-surgical care.

Levin: and who issued this? HHS?

Caller: Yes. And basically, they don't call them patients, they call them 'units' and instead of... they call it 'ethics panels' or 'ethics committees' which get together and meet, and decide where the money would go for hospitals, and basically, for patients over 70 years, that advanced neuro-surgical care was not generally indicated.

Levin: So its generally going to be denied?

Caller: Yes, absolutely.

Levin: Ok, let me ask you this... is this public...? GO ahead...

Caller: If someone comes in at 70 years of age with a bleed in their brain, I can promise you I'm not going to get a bunch of administrators together on an ethics panel at two in the morning to decide that I'm ok to do surgery.

Levin: Let me ask you this... Is this published somewhere for the general public? In other words, where a pedistrian like me can get ahold of it?

Caller: Not yet, not yet.

Levin: So this was discussed just with your community, of neurosurgeons?

Caller: Yes, exactly. The AANS and CNS, the American Association of NeuroSurgeons and the Congress of NeuroSurgeons, because everybody knows cuts are coming in medicine, in reimbursement, and we're the most expensive in all the fields of medicine, and we're the smallest field.
But at two or three or four in the morning, we're the ones that are in the operating room, and we will have to wait for an ethics panel to convene, and they're not made up of physicians, they're made of administrators, to decide whether a patient should receive our care.

Levin: So Sarah Palin was right? We ARE going to have these death panels, aren't we?

Caller: Oh, Absolutely! I'm German by heritage, and I've read The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, and basically, they dont call them patients, they call them units, and if you're a unit above a certain age, you get comfort care, instead of advanced neurosurgical intervention.

Levin: Now this... You went to a seminar in washington D.C?

Caller: Yes, A few of my former partners, two of them have gone to work for... One runs the VA system, and one is head of the Congress of NeuroSurgeons out of DC.

Levin: And this information is based, you're certain, on representations and information provided by HHS and other government officials?

Caller: Yep.

Levin: And when will the rest of us become aware of it? After the election?

Caller: Ah, Probably. There are so many things that the government keeps under control, that are used in surgery called HUD devices, or Humanitarian Use Devices, that we're allowed to use now, because they haven't undergone full FDA approval, and they're just used in surgery, because people know its the right thing to do.
But the government can step in at any time, like they did two months ago with a device, and said, this device hasn't met what we want, and there's no exact criteria, and then they can take it away from us.

Levin: And the people who are telling you what to do, they don't even know how to make a pencil, do they?

Caller: Exactly, that's what I'm saying. And we always joke around, "it's not brain surgery", but you know, I did nine years after medical school, I've been in training ten years, and now I have people who don't know a THING about what I'm doing, and telling me when I can and cannot operate.

Levin: All right, please keep in contact, will you? I have to go, but this has been a very very cruical call!

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[lowbridge]

bump

[lowbridge]

[who knows what evil?]

Sarah Palin was right. Onyx...I believe the ‘Palin ping list’ would be very interested in this...

[who knows what evil?]

It passed by ONE vote.

[omni-scientist]

I can see a thriving market developing for supplementary insurance as Medicare coverage is rationed. Unfortunately, there are Socialists who believe that no one should get better medical care than any other person (exception: government and union officials, and celebrities).

[Tolerance Sucks Rocks]

I’m 44 right now. Might as well kill myself in 26 years.

PING!

[floriduh voter]

Sarah Palin was right and that was why the evil, liberal media machine had to destroy her but they didn't destroy her message and her warnings about what awaits Americans.

Welcome to evil America. We can't even mention God in our Thanksgiving message, the muslim President that is. Do people ever wonder if Barack's not muslim why he took a muslim name? It makes no sense. He wanted the muslim name and it makes me sick after 9-11 that stupid Americans would vote for this marxist-elitist.

[GrandJediMasterYoda]

ctually I’m all for this as long as it only involves people who fanatically support Obama.

[Nowhere Man]

Here is a copy from another thread on this:

(My reply is in black italiacs)

And at least the Mafia are honest and don't give you a bunch of compassion BS about what they do.

I know. It is a shame that the country has elected the enemy, the enemy of life. From the Bamster on down, these people who crafted these rules need to be tossed into prison where they belong. Even among average people, the people that would be denied healthcare by some bureaucrat do have friends, family, siblings and so on to where if that would happen, there would be possible repercussions. I know God said, "vengence is Mine," but there will be lots of people who would want "their pound of flesh," so to speak and if I was bureaucrat, I'd be in fear for my life as well as the lives of my family and children. These are not units, these are people's lives, you really cannot put a money value on it. Yes, I know we all die and no matter what, medical science will not save us at some point, but I'd rather put the decision with the patient and failing that, the family, not the government or some faceless bureaucrat.

I went food shopping today, I'm stocking up on 100 watt lightbulbs. I just find it ironic that we live in a country that will give us a choice to kill the unborn but not the choice in the lightbulbs we want to buy or soon, our healthcare. Yakoff Smirnoff was right, "what a country!"

[Future Useless Eater]

We now know what Obama meant before Congress when he said 'implementing this reform "properly"'

By his own words, this is just the beginning of their plans for us:
      - It "moves us decisively in the right direction".
      - It is "another stone FIRMLY laid in the foundation"

Here is a transcript of his words...
 
Deliverance II: Healthcare Reform

It’s time to bring this debate to a close and begin the hard work of 'implementing this reform "properly"' on behalf of the American people.

THis legislation will not fix everything that ails our healthcare system but it moves us decisively in the right direction.

In the end, what this day represents, is another stone FIRMLY laid in the foundation of the American dream.

This is what change looks like.

I would sure HATE to see what his utopian world would look like if he gave us his system that DID "fix everything"!



( Note - I do not keep any ping list. I only 'cc' people on this thread and similar thread(s) who might be interested.)