[Future Useless Eater]

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Transcript...

Caller: I heard you talking earlier about the government not knowing how to make pencils, and then you talked about brain surgeons, and I happen to be a brain surgeon, so I found your topic very interesting. And actually, I just returned from washington DC, where we were reading over what the Obama Health Care Plan would be for advanced neurosurgery for patients over 70, which we all found quite disturbing.
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Because as our population gets older the majority of our patients ARE getting over 70, which requires stroke therapy and aneurysm therapy, and basically what the document stated, was if you're over 70 and you come in to an emergency room and you're on government supported care, that you get 'comfort care'.

Levin: wait an minute... what? what document? what's the source for this?

Caller: This is the Obama's new health care plan for advanced neuro-surgical care.

Levin: and who issued this? HHS?

Caller: Yes. And basically, they don't call them patients, they call them 'units' and instead of... they call it 'ethics panels' or 'ethics committees' which get together and meet, and decide where the money would go for hospitals, and basically, for patients over 70 years, that advanced neuro-surgical care was not generally indicated.

Levin: So its generally going to be denied?

Caller: Yes, absolutely.

Levin: Ok, let me ask you this... is this public...? GO ahead...

Caller: If someone comes in at 70 years of age with a bleed in their brain, I can promise you I'm not going to get a bunch of administrators together on an ethics panel at two in the morning to decide that I'm ok to do surgery.

Levin: Let me ask you this... Is this published somewhere for the general public? In other words, where a pedistrian like me can get ahold of it?

Caller: Not yet, not yet.

Levin: So this was discussed just with your community, of neurosurgeons?

Caller: Yes, exactly. The AANS and CNS, the American Association of NeuroSurgeons and the Congress of NeuroSurgeons, because everybody knows cuts are coming in medicine, in reimbursement, and we're the most expensive in all the fields of medicine, and we're the smallest field.
But at two or three or four in the morning, we're the ones that are in the operating room, and we will have to wait for an ethics panel to convene, and they're not made up of physicians, they're made of administrators, to decide whether a patient should receive our care.

Levin: So Sarah Palin was right? We ARE going to have these death panels, aren't we?

Caller: Oh, Absolutely! I'm German by heritage, and I've read The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, and basically, they dont call them patients, they call them units, and if you're a unit above a certain age, you get comfort care, instead of advanced neurosurgical intervention.

Levin: Now this... You went to a seminar in washington D.C?

Caller: Yes, A few of my former partners, two of them have gone to work for... One runs the VA system, and one is head of the Congress of NeuroSurgeons out of DC.

Levin: And this information is based, you're certain, on representations and information provided by HHS and other government officials?

Caller: Yep.

Levin: And when will the rest of us become aware of it? After the election?

Caller: Ah, Probably. There are so many things that the government keeps under control, that are used in surgery called HUD devices, or Humanitarian Use Devices, that we're allowed to use now, because they haven't undergone full FDA approval, and they're just used in surgery, because people know its the right thing to do.
But the government can step in at any time, like they did two months ago with a device, and said, this device hasn't met what we want, and there's no exact criteria, and then they can take it away from us.

Levin: And the people who are telling you what to do, they don't even know how to make a pencil, do they?

Caller: Exactly, that's what I'm saying. And we always joke around, "it's not brain surgery", but you know, I did nine years after medical school, I've been in training ten years, and now I have people who don't know a THING about what I'm doing, and telling me when I can and cannot operate.

Levin: All right, please keep in contact, will you? I have to go, but this has been a very very cruical call!

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[simplesimon]

Thank you so much for this.

I ************ am *********** passing the transcript along.
We all knew it was hideous but this is PROOF of how hideous it really truely is.

[BykrBayb]

Thanks for that info and the transcript.

My husband sees a neurologist every three months, and occasionally a neurosurgeon. This is part of our TriCare Prime coverage. If they implement this rationing program, it will cost him his life.

[Notary Sojac]

I've been in health care finance for over twenty years, and I can confidently say that what is being discussed here is NOT whether these surgeons will be permitted to do the surgery.

What is being discussed is whether the surgeons and the hospital will be permitted to send Medicare (i.e. taxpayers) the bill.

It's important to recognize that these are two different things.

[jenk]

Thank you:)

[SumProVita]

This is so UN-American and insidiously EVIL, it is hard to really comprehend that it is taking place here in the USA!!!!!!!!!!!!

[jenk]

Brain Surgeon Reveals Disturbing Future For Those Over 70 Under Obamacare

[azishot]

Thank you for posting the transcript. I’m so disgusted, appalled, etc. by the fact that HHS would even entertain this idea. Obviously, this would never apply to them.

Evil, pure evil.

[NonValueAdded]

The Final Solution has come to America. God Damn them all.

I was very active when GWB tried to take on Social Security reform. I remember when it died a sudden death and came to the realization that both sides of the aisle figured out that the problem had a simple "solution" on the demand side. Now comes this. Sucks to be right.

[algernonpj]

Thanks for the transcript from those of us who are broad band impaired.

[metmom]

Read this transcript.

Any further proof needed that we have Satan running the White house?

[Oldeconomybuyer]

I heard this live on the Levin show. Scary. We need to gut Obamacare root and limb.

[little jeremiah]

Sonmeone sent me this:

Following the neurosurgeon’s call, a nurse from Waco, TX called in informing that those 65 and older would need to attend mandatory end of life counseling every two years and that those 65 or older would only receive “comfort care”. Illegal aliens would be exempt.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKRsBSTgprU

[LucyT]

. . . . See Transcript at # 14.

[Thanks, Future.]

[Sun]

We need to contact our reps and write letters to editors, as well as tell everyone we know.

[AnneDB]

The videos & transcripts from the Mark Levin show have been refuted by the American Association of Neurological Surgeons(AANS). The caller (Jeff) was posing as a neurosurgeon and gave false information to Mark Levin.You can view the statement on www.aans.org/Legislative Activities.aspx (you may have to copy & paste in to your browser) scroll down to “Advocacy & Health Policy News and below that you’ll see the statement. To make things a little easier, I have also posted the statement below.

“AANS Statement on Mark Levin Show” Below is a statement from the AANS regarding the Mark Levin podcast:

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
November 28, 2011
Contact: Alison Dye adye@neurosurgery.org

Washington, DC – On November 22, 2011, an individual claiming to be a “brain surgeon” made several
statements referencing neurosurgical care on a Mark Levin radio show segment. The American
Association of Neurological Surgeons (AANS) and the Congress of Neurological Surgeons (CNS)
reviewed this segment and found that it contained several factual inaccuracies which we wish to clarify.

The AANS and CNS are unaware of any federal government document directing that advanced
neurosurgery for patients over 70 years of age will not be indicated and only supportive care treatment
will be provided. Furthermore, in conducting our own due diligence, it appears that the caller who
identified himself as a brain surgeon may not actually be a neurosurgeon, nor was there any session at the
recent Congress of Neurological Surgeons’ scientific meeting in Washington, DC at which a purported
government document calling for the rationing of neurosurgical care was discussed.

Neurosurgeons are committed to providing timely, compassionate, and state of the art treatment for all
patients — regardless of age — who have neurosurgical conditions. As such, we have requested that this
podcast be removed from Mark Levin’s website as it portrays inaccurate information which could
potentially be harmful to the patients that we serve.

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