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Michael Gerson says that Obama is blowing his Catholic electoral stratgy. Olsen says no, Obamae's gotten -- and is continuing to get - exactly what he wants.

Class, discuss.

1 posted on 11/19/2011 2:28:46 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o
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Your thoughts?


2 posted on 11/19/2011 2:30:09 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Jesus, my Lord, my God, my All.)
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3 posted on 11/19/2011 2:40:50 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Name that tune

He got a sweet gift of gab, he got a harmonious tongue
He knows every song of love that ever has been sung
Good intentions can be evil
Both hands can be full of grease
You know that sometimes Satan comes as a man of peace

4 posted on 11/19/2011 2:51:23 PM PST by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I ran field operations for Catholics Against Kerry. We reversed the slide of Catholics toward Democrats by bring our co-religionists the truth about Obama. Since the media will can people like Frances Kissling and her pro abortion group Catholics for Choice and anyone who ever walked past a Catholic Church to lie about how Catholics will vote it will be hard to get the truth, but actual adherent Catholics did NOT vote for Obama and I don’t believe they will this time either.

The Notre Dame speech will come back to haunt him as will his infanticide past and his insistence that Catholic hospitals commit abortions in order to get federal funds. I’m with Gerson. BTW where is that ash hole Kmiec or however you spell his name? Rememberr he told us Obama held Catholic values?


5 posted on 11/19/2011 2:52:58 PM PST by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

My thoughts....Anybody that votes Democrat in any way shape or form, is not only NOT pro life, but is simply NOT Christian.

To vote Democrat in any way shape or form would mean that a person supported infanticide,gay marriage and removal of GOD/Jesus/Bible/prayer from the public square/classroom.

To vote Democrat in any way shape or form would mean that a person supported the removal of Christian crosses from Veteran`s cemeteries, embryonic stem cell research,and yes it would even mean they supported a Cross of Jesus in a glass of urine as being a art form.The latter is a view supported by Justice Ginsburg.

BTW moderate Republicans will have to answer for these views as well. They would love to vote for such things, they just happen to vote Republican for fiscal reasons.

Anybody that truly had The Spirit of Christ within them, could not/would not vote or support such things.

Most Democrats that attend these Liberal Churches have convinced themselves completely that this is just politics and God will surely overlook it.

The arguments have been made,there are no excuses, a vote for a Democrat is a vote for infanticide,anti Christian values and all the trimmings.

This is the view I hold, and it`s unshakable.


6 posted on 11/19/2011 2:56:57 PM PST by Friendofgeorge (SARAH PALIN 2012 OR FLIPPIN BUST)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Liberals will vote for the prince. Conservatives and anybody with half a brain will not. There will be more Kmiecs just as there have always been judas goats. Some sheep may follow but mostly not. I would hope there are Catholics who voted for this clown the first time who will have no part of him this time but those who switch will not be doing it based on the Church, they will do it based on their plunging net worth and empty pockets.


7 posted on 11/19/2011 3:00:35 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Unfortunately far too many Catholics are married to the Democratic party and won’t listen to facts or reason.

They don’t deserve to call themselves Catholic (c.f. Pelosi, the Kennedys, etc...) but they do. The Church needs to get tough with them but it won’t.

Zero knows he will get plenty of so-called “Catholic” votes regardless of what he does. Anyone who votes for Zero is an idiot, no matter what the religion.


8 posted on 11/19/2011 3:04:40 PM PST by GatorGirl (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I think that last time around, Obama’s extreme anti-life views were hidden from most of the electorate. The media made a point of hiding them, and of course Juan McCain completely blew it. He barely touched on the issue.

Obama voted three times against the Infants Born Alive protection act. His Chicago “church” owned a hospital that practiced abortion, and threw several babies out on the roof to die.

But who knew it? Only those of us who followed the news more closely. It certainly didn’t get on the evening TV shows, nor was it ever really mentioned in the “debates.”

I suppose some Catholic voters are still ignorant. And there are always the non-church-going dissidents. But I doubt whether Obama will do as well among Catholic voters as he did last time. Especially if the bishops and pastors speak out.


9 posted on 11/19/2011 3:06:16 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius.2)
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Ping!


11 posted on 11/19/2011 3:19:08 PM PST by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
I think he is getting exactly what he's wanted all along. If Catholics are stupid and gullible enough to put the noose around their own necks, so much the better. It means that Barry and his fascist friends don't have to use so many resources tearing down the Catholic Church and therefore have more resources to use tearing down something else.
12 posted on 11/19/2011 3:21:25 PM PST by Rashputin (Obama stark, raving, mad, and even his security people know it.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Barry's strategy is a continuation of the Democrat party's strategy: the ultimate destruction of the Church:

Hence, by a new species of impiety, unheard of even among the heathen nations, states have been constituted without any count at all of God or of the order established by him; it has been given out that public authority neither derives its principles, nor its majesty, nor its power of governing from God, but rather from the multitude, which, thinking itself absolved from all divine sanction, bows only to such laws as it shall have made at its own will. The supernatural truths of faith having been assailed and cast out as though hostile to reason, the very Author and Redeemer of the human race has been slowly and little by little banished from the universities, the Iyceums and gymnasia -- in a word, from every public institution. In fine, the rewards and punishments of a future and eternal life having been handed over to oblivion, the ardent desire of happiness has been limited to the bounds of the present. Such doctrines as these having been scattered far and wide, so great a license of thought and action having sprung up on all sides, it is no matter for surprise that men of the lowest class, weary of their wretched home or workshop, are eager to attack the homes and fortunes of the rich; it is no matter for surprise that already there exists no sense of security either in public or private life, and that the human race should have advanced to the very verge of final dissolution.

(snip)

For, indeed, although the socialists, stealing the very Gospel itself with a view to deceive more easily the unwary, have been accustomed to distort it so as to suit their own purposes, nevertheless so great is the difference between their depraved teachings and the most pure doctrine of Christ that none greater could exist: "for what participation hath justice with injustice or what fellowship hath light with darkness?"[7] Their habit, as we have intimated, is always to maintain that nature has made all men equal, and that, therefore, neither honor nor respect is due to majesty, nor obedience to laws, unless, perhaps, to those sanctioned by their own good pleasure.

Leo XIII, Quod Apostolici Muneris (On Socialism), 1878

So this should not be any kind of a surprise to anybody. It is not new. Nor is it particularly imaginative.

It is simply a continuation of the strategy first put in place by the first socialist president.

16 posted on 11/19/2011 4:46:45 PM PST by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good-Pope Leo XIII)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

The Catholic Church, which has served as a stalwart bellwether for 2,000 years was stricken by a very serious disease from which it could have died. Imagine, Christ’s Church on earth so ill it could have perished!

That catastrophic illness foisted upon it was called Vatican II where modernists decided that the Church needed to brought into the 20th century. They aggressively changed the Church into a new religion. They threw the baby and the bathwater through the stained glass windows!

New ‘churches’ were built that looked like airplane hangers. The tabernacle was relegated to a place off to the side somewhere or even off into a room. Confessionals became ‘Reconciliation Rooms.’ The priest offering what passed as a ‘mass’ became the president of the assembly and a picnic table was installed facing the congregation.

The sacred Host was placed in the congregant’s hand and was served to only those who stood to receive Jesus Christ.

Other Protestant churchmen and even Rabbis watched the Church for eons for signs and, yes, even guidance. No longer the church is mired in modernism and heresy.


23 posted on 11/20/2011 5:48:42 AM PST by IbJensen (What this country needs are more unemployed politicians.)
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ping!


24 posted on 11/20/2011 8:56:13 AM PST by Albion Wilde (A land of hyper-legalisms is not the same as a land of law. --Mark Steyn)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
In other words, the actual, long-term "Catholic strategy" of this administration is to undermine and dismantle the witness and work of the Catholic Church, which works on the behalf of protecting life from the moment of conception to the grave.

We faithful Catholics understood this all along, and it was frustrating trying to get that point across to our Catholic friends who are more enamored of the 'social justice' Church.

25 posted on 11/20/2011 11:48:54 AM PST by SuziQ
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