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I respect your faith. But how do you know you have the truth vs. those that feel they have the truth via their beliefs in Catholicism, other Protestant beliefs, etc.? In the example I gave, what archeological and scientific proof is there of the Trinity? There’s ample evidence in the bible against the Trinity. Many of the early Christian fathers didn’t teach it, & in fact in many cases taught against it.

There were approx. 250 bishops present at Nicea when the Nicene creed was voted on. There were approx. 500 bishops present at Rimini/Seleucia just 25 years later when they repudiated the theory. So, how do you know which is right given the lack of archeological and scientific proof, or irrefutable evidence in the bible, but rather simply the traditions of our fathers? So, it really does become a guess for most. Maybe an educated guess, but a guess none the less.

That’s what I’m talking about. Why lambaste other’s beliefs when there is a lack of irrefutable evidence for you own? Another example, the Catholics believe in works as part of salvation. Protestants for the better part do not. This is big! For if the Catholics are right, some Protestants are screwed due to a lack of works in some cases. If the Protestants are right, that all one needs is faith, then the Catholics are still in good shape because they already believe.

There are good arguments for either theory. Does anyone really know for sure, absolutely 100%? I’m just saying that until you are 100% sure, it may be well w/ you to not demean others who may very well be right. It would seem to be sound reasoning. It would be even better for one to not spend a seeming lifetime of day after day bashing of others as some here seemingly do. But that’s just my 2 cents

Why do you label it “demeaning” to simply say you disagree which is what I’ve done in the majority of my posts here? I strenuously disagree with your contention that there is a lack of irrefutable evidence for my faith. There is plenty of evidence. Also, most Christian denominations (excepting Mormons) agree on the basics of the faith. I don’t know what bible you’re referencing, but mine teaches the trinity.

archeological and scientific proof is there of the Trinity

Are you arguing as an atheist confab?

There’s ample evidence in the bible against the Trinity

there is even more so FOR the Trinity, and those 'against' are likely to have been taken out of context.

Many of the early Christian fathers didn’t teach it, & in fact in many cases taught against it.

In fact your facts are not correct. It was taught by name at least 100+ years before nicea and is present in ANF writings through to the bible itself. I would challenge those 'early fathers' as to the validity of their claim of being Christian.

Nicea

Your education regarding the need for Nicea is evidently lacking. What teaching was this upstart Arianism challenging at the time confab?????? My, my, Trinitarianism, hmmmmmmm then it didn't originate at Nicea but Nicea served to confirm what the historic and accepted teaching was.

So, how do you know which is right given the lack of archeological and scientific proof, or irrefutable evidence in the bible, but rather simply the traditions of our fathers?

Yet you cite a form of 'archaeological' evidences - the WRITINGS of the people of the period. Hmmmmmm?

SUPERnatural is not subordinate nor can it be evaluated by the natural, which is the realm that science is bound to operate in. And you haven't refuted anything from the bible yet.

Why lambaste other’s beliefs when there is a lack of irrefutable evidence for you own?

There were approx. 250 bishops present at Nicea when the Nicene creed was voted on.
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and absolutely NOBODY there when Joey Smith claimed to have had his “vision”

or saw his mormon gods or his mormon angels or his mormon anythings..

or “found” his golden plates or folden armor or golden sword

No witnesses at all...

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

“there is a lack of irrefutable evidence for you own beliefs...”

Does anyone really know for sure, absolutely 100%?

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